2020: The New Album

Good point. I don't know the demand and ticket sales when he does that lineup but because they're smaller venues I have to....imagine they do well? Seems for the most part to be corporate gigs and charity functions. If he tried to sell an arena tour under JBJ and the Kings of Suburbia he'd fall flat on his face. If he did it as Jon Bon Jovi, I think he'd pull in very similar numbers in America. We're all just hypothesizing here but if it's not billed as "playing songs from his new solo album" and you see a poster that says Jon Bon Jovi with his picture, that's most of the way there for a person who knows only the hit songs and remembers a few others from radio and MTV etc.

Hmmm BJ is for Bon Jovi songs and JBJ & The Kings Of Suburbia is for mostly covers. That simple for me.
This article talks about popularity in USA: https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/202...ek-jan22-2019/

I'm not arguing with you; I'm arguing with Jon. Rolo-style. (Y'know "Hey, God, if you're reading this...")
Yes, Jon can sell tickets now, and claim it's all about him. But only because he's riding on the reputation and hits created by a BAND. He can do it til Jesus comes, with any backup, and ppl will still go to the shows as long as they're billed as Bon Jovi. But they don't go to hear what Jon's doing these days; or even what he did back in the day. They go for the songs and concert experience created by the original 5/6 members of the band. That wasn't all about Jon. And even in NA, where someone might go because s/he "knows only the hit songs and remembers a few others from radio and MTV" that's still based on what the band did, not just JBJ. Not unless all they expect to hear is Runaway and Blaze of Glory sung with a karaoke machine. I'm not talking about the smitten fans who pay to see Jon smile and shake his ass; because, as avid as they are, it takes more than them to fill stadiums and arenas. The Bon Jovi ppl remember, that I'd say most people assume they're buying tickets for, was never portrayed as being all about Jon. Jon himself carefully nurtured the image of a hard-working band of brothers from NJ... until that reputation was solid enough for him to risk saying "it's about me."

If he's so confident that's the case, then instead of saying, "the band's albums basically are my solo albums" why doesn't Young Gun bite the bullet and call it what it is - a Jon Bon Jovi album? If he truly thinks it's all about him, then why doesn't he try to sell it that way? Why try so hard to convince people that it's been a band project since Day One, Song One, if he's all that matters? My guess is it's because he knows that as soon as he bills it as JBJ, he's lost the advantage that 30+ years "with the same band, the same label..." gives him.

But you're right; this is all rhetorical.

My be quiet now.

He carefully built this brand on loyalty and togetherness and then started to drift away from that mentality. Yes, the success is because of the band, the band's input mattered less and less as time went on (at least I'd like to think that's the case).

Regardless of how or why he got there he's created an audience that I don't think would be too fussed with whether it's called Bon Jovi or Jon Bon Jovi. He wouldn't dream of calling it that when Richie was there but with no RS it's more realistic of an option. The line between solo songs and band songs blurred as soon as his Sex Sells demos were Crush b-sides. That changed EVERYTHING to me. One could argue releasing Drive as a D.A. b-side started it too.

People are still coming even though Richie is gone. If they're able to pull off tours without someone who was integral to the sound with his playing and signing and it doesn't crash the tour, it's not about the band experience anymore to such a large percentage of the people going.

I'm naive enough to think they were a band until 2000 but for all I know it could have been just as bad behind the scenes prior. According to Bob Rock it almost was.

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Hmmm he is like that since Young Guns or after New Jersey tour...

Ok, I lied.

Well, yeah, according to Bob Rock, it seems like it was at least headed in that direction as far back as KTF.

You may be right and the atttendance might be similar if he promoted it as JBJ; but I doubt it. If that's the case, there are a couple of points you make that I still don't understand. In your previous post you said if it isn't promoted as "playing songs from his new solo album"... If it's all the same to most fans, why that would that be an issue? Wouldn't they likely be just as excited about a tour supporting a new solo album by Jon Bon Jovi as they would about a new album from the band?

Also, I'm not sure why you think calling it Jon Bon Jovi would be more of an option now than it was when Richie was still in the band. If it's been about Jon since 2000, why would that make a difference?

I think it was fairly obvious that again nothing was coming out today - and it hasn't.

So - next Friday is the last Friday in January. Do we trust Pollstar's "expected to drop in January" or do we think it has been pushed back?

For me, February

If you just put "I think the single will come out in..." in your signature, you save yourself a lot of posts

My biggest grip here is Jon's change it attitude within the interviews. We - the fans - have known that it's been about Jon more and more Jon-driven since at least 2000 (and starting from KTF onwards). I'd even say that this might've been one of the contributing factors to Richie's growing frustration and ulitmately his departure.
But that aside - until around 2013, he at least talked about it being a band in public interviews. Whereas his "corporate head" had grown to frightening sizes from 2009 to 2013 when his main force seemed to be getting the NFL team, he appeared much more grounded in the phase leading up to THINFS (and I actually believed that).
How long did he keep touting out the New Year's Day story on stage about finding THE band in one room again and about how great that refound spirit was? How much did he emphasize this "new sense of pride" with these guys during HoF introduction? Ever since he signed on with Iriving Azoff, he has drifted more and more back to being the self-centered CEO (at least showing it, maybe he's been there all the time) again. It seems like a kick in the face of a band who has to save his ass on a nightly basis (and who has to listen to his unfiltered vocals on their IEMs night after night).
I wouldn't be too suprised if - at some point in the near future - he'd be in there trying to purchase a team again.