2020: The New Album

I think this person used to be on here? Anyway she has made quite an interesting discovery. Im sure she wont mid me posting this...Give it a listen..

https://twitter.com/anjelicaaaaa/sta...109698560?s=20

Can't listen to this at work - please can you elaborate/explain?

Hmm, there are some similarities, yes, but it's not anywhere close for me.

Different key, but otherwise similar.

Is it a different key? Feels like both start in G with the almost same (albeit overused) chord structure. It's the jangly lead part that's almost identical.

Nobody gave a toss about Stand up Guy and ‘fans’ slated it all over (still do)

Same thing happened with Burning Bridges, an album with some of their best tracks and guitar work since These Days (also some of their worst), decent rock production from Shanks,...

Same thing happened with Unbroken (not the best of songs and pretty forced idea and lyrics, but at least a song with an idea and melody that Jon can ‘sing’), then we get Limitless.

Since It’s my life, I think fans have a bigger influence than we think.

I can't blame the fans for BB going nowhere. From what I saw it was pretty well received in fan circles, got zero promotion and just came and went for the reasons stated.

I don't think it's Jon's fault and I don't think it's the fans fault I think it falls somewhere in the middle. I've always thought Jon felt slighted when These Days and Destination Anywhere, two of the more "personal writing" style records tanked in America. Next thing you know they're doing a comeback album, the return of the talk box, the return of Bruce Fairbairn, severely dumbed down lyrics. I think that spooked him into releasing what he wants.

I think he's putting out what he thinks (and is probably right) the casual fan wants. For as much as we knock the current sound it sometimes does sound like a modified version of the 80's with the stacks of harmonies and echo-y drums, it's just severely lacking the guitar parts.

I feel he's always been caught between his artistic leanings with his obvious acceptance of commercialism. Whatever we think about it, he has chosen to be commercial over being artisitc. Sometimes, the two have blended and sometimes successfully, but I do think Jon makes a choice.

Perhaps there is a debate about why he makes that choice as a lot of Jon's more intimate interviews suggest he feels heavily obligated to numerous people (including the fans) to keep Bon Jovi as big as possible. Of course, he also clearly has a massive ego about those achievements and is unwilling to give them up.

Still, he could write a whole album of those acoustic-style songs and it could tank and still not change anything for him. He chooses not to do it, for me the only question is why he makes that choice.

Exactly. On the one hand, Jon keeps touting out that he is at a point in his career where he doesn't have to prove anything or chase hits anymore, on the other hand that's exactly what he does time and time again instead of sticking to something he personally enjoys for once. As much as he denies it, he still wants to be able to play the arenas and stadiums for as long as somehow possible.

But, as I said before, fans can't be blamed for that. Burning Bridges had some of the most well-received songs among fans here, yet it was Jon who didn't give a **** about this album in any way.

I debate this in my head all the time. If Jon went forward with a stripped back, songwritery album that we all know he'd love to write, it would tank just as hard the current albums do. But would the shift in sound be able to sell tickets if the tours were in that vein? I don't think they could maintain that level. He would have to strip the whole system down to the bolts if wanted to and I'm not sure he does.

It'd be a different story if he put it out and it was a massive hit and started a new chapter but if they can't sell material sounding like themselves, a complete 180 might be too much.