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Old 04-18-2020, 06:46 PM
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Jon worded it that now that it's delayed he can add Do What You Can so that tells me it's an anything goes situation now. We could have a very different album when it finally comes out.
It's possible that they haven't been pressed. Or it's possible he's talking about adding it as a digital bonus.
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It it gets postponed long enough, there could be a new cover for the album titled "Unbroken" to be released in 2021.
That would actually be great.
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Old 04-19-2020, 05:03 PM
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Jon's kidding himself big time tho, I saw a screenshot posted on Twitter from (I believe) the Howard stern interview, and jon says his voice is stronger than ever. I remember laughing at that when he said something similar back 2011ish. I'd go as far as saying the album, if not tied in with ticket sales, wont even appear on the top 100
I was dying with laughter when I read that quote. Either Jon thinks the audience is deaf, is so full of himself, is so heartbroken about his voice problems that he says things like that solely to convince himself/gain confidence, or has just about totally lost his marbles (or his hearing, or both).

I'm seriously starting to believe he's got some health issues that we don't know about, be it physical or psychological. All the continuous vocal decline and a visible change of personality (he seems much more vulnerable and low-key on interviews etc. than he used to until late 2013), alongside this mind-numbing bragging he's been doing on several occasions in recent years about being in a great vocal shape, just doesn't seem normal for me.

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Old 04-20-2020, 08:50 AM
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alongside this mind-numbing bragging he's been doing on several occasions in recent years about being in a great vocal shape, just doesn't seem normal for me.
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this mind-numbing bragging he's been doing on several occasions in recent years about being in a great vocal shape, just doesn't seem normal for me.
I think Jon is in denial,Jon knows his voice is gone why do you think all the THINFS tour videos are auto-tuned/pitch corrected? In Jon's mind if he publically admits his voice completely shot he might as well retire from the business. He might act all humble but he feeds off of the attention from fans etc. That's why he's dragging out the band even if his voice is completely shot.
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Jon is most likely nowhere close to a narcissist in the literal sense (though he can otherwise be a real prick at times if he wants to), but to me ridiculous claims like "I'm singing stronger than ever", with the truth obviously being the complete opposite, indicate a narcissist-esque attempt to hide insecurity and awareness about his vocal issues behind boasting and self-convincing.
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When Jon says he's in good vocal shape, I don't think he means it the same way we do.

I think he's referring to health. His vocal muscles are in good shape and they can withstand a 21 song a night tour. Not raw, swollen, and bleeding.

His upper range is gone. And at times, his middle rage seems like that's gone too but his breathing might be part of the issues. Unless he does that on purpose to get through certain songs.

There are songs that he can still perform decent... They are basically the songs that no one cares about like Lost Highway.

I'm always listening to live playlists and every so often I'll be shocked that a song is from 2017 forward.

If I can interview one person, it would be Jon's vocal coach. I would love to know what's going on there.

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When Jon says he's in good vocal shape, I don't think he means it the same way we do.

I think he's referring to health. His vocal muscles are in good shape and they can withstand a 21 song a night tour. Not raw, swollen, and bleeding.

His upper range is gone. And at times, his middle rage seems like that's gone too but his breathing might be part of the issues. Unless he does that on purpose to get through certain songs.

There are songs that he can still perform decent... They are basically the songs that no one cares about like Lost Highway.

I'm always listening to live playlists and every so often I'll be shocked that a song is from 2017 forward.

If I can interview one person, it would be Jon's vocal coach. I would love to know what's going on there.

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I actually don't know if his upper range is completely gone or not. Yeah, he sounds strained on the high notes, yeah, for the most part he basically shouts them, yeah, he's uncontrolled, yeah, he cracks at times, yeah, he falls flat at times. But he nails them sometimes as well - on some occasions he seems able to sing higher than on others, sometimes he struggles as soon as any remotely higher note comes up. Born To Be My Baby, It's My Life, Bed Of Roses, I'll Be There For You, Saturday Night, Blood On Blood, Wanted, Lay Your Hands etc. he's been pretty decent on (considering the circumstances - and Walleris, please don't bring up the 120% effort analogy again...) for the most part since late 2017, whereas songs like Have A Nice Day, Keep The Faith, In These Arms, Bad Medicine, Prayer and These Days sound more or less dreadful every time.

On the other hand, his middle range is a complete mess. One can say it might be a matter of breathing technique, but his voice audibly is just so damaged that it simply doesn't come out properly, reminding me of trying to sing during a terrible flu with a sore throat. Songs like Lost Highway, Whole Lot Of Leavin', Born To Follow, Who Says and Captain Crash are actually among the worst offenders instead of the more decent ones, as Jon has basically lost all the tone of his voice and constantly sounds hoarse, monotonous and airy.

As for your health analogy, I'm afraid you're at least partially wrong. His vocal chords/muscles/whatever are obviously NOT in good shape at all, it's clear as a day and comes through with every single bum note, crack and clipping of his voice. Be it nodules, scar tissue or whatever that's hammering with his pipes, they're still far from healthy.

On the other hand, I'm also starting to fear his lungs might be affected as well. He never used to be as horribly out of breath as he was pretty much throughout the whole THINFS tour. The constant skipping of words and timing issues, clearly connected to his breathing, indicate some sorts of pulmonary/respiratory issues for me. It may not necessarily be a disease, let alone a life-threatening one, but we have to remember that Jon's now been a smoker (albeit on somewhat of an on-off fashion) since at least the Fahrenheit era, which makes it 35 years.

THIRTY-FIVE F*CKING YEARS.

Jesus Christ, his lungs must look like burnt BBQ steaks, and that, if anything, affects everything in your voice; power, range, tone, stamina, stability, pitch control and especially breathing (technique).

So yeah, hard to say anything.

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Old 04-20-2020, 01:48 PM
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I've written a small letter to Jon, and since it sometimes appears as though someone from Camp Jovi really *is* reading this board, and since I have no other way of getting it through to him, I'll just post it here. Feel free to agree, disagree, ignore it, laugh about it, I don't care

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Dear Jon,

first of all I have say I love you, man. Honestly, I love what you do, your music, your philantrophy,
your work ethics, your longevity, the list goes on.

But seriously, what has happened to your voice? As a fan for over 25 years, when I read comments
of yours like in a recent interview, where you say that your voice is stronger than ever, you're either
trying to convince the general public or you're in complete denial of the situation and
are trying to convince yourself.

But did you for one second think about how this comes across to fans like me? Fans, who are neither
blind nor deaf, or are even making music themselves? It's insulting, because we know it's just not true.

Honestly, I feel for you, I really do. It must be hell seeing your instrument deteriorate, while trying
everything to prevent it. And I applaud you for the effort you still put in, and the progress you made
in recovering during the last couple of years. But it's hard to see you suffering physically and not
knowing why that's the case. I just care too much about you to ignore it. And I bet people would be even
more sympathetic with you if you'd just come out and tell us what's the problem and whether there's a
cure for that or not.

I don't want you to quit, in fact it's the opposite. I just want to know what's going on. And I
think we fans deserve it.

Thanks for listening,
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Old 04-20-2020, 03:34 PM
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It is a pity that in these times, the albums do not sell as well as in the past. Jon could focus on recording new music without touring, maybe a performance and little else, like the last stage of the Beatles. But to this day, album sales are low, and touring is really the real deal.

Since Jon showed these signs in his increasingly poor voice (especially live), the only positive thing I find is the new studio music. I really liked Burning Bridges, THINFS is not that terrible, I really liked the songs WWWU and Walls, I highlight Jon's voice, which is much better than in the THINFS recording. And Limitlless, even though I'm not a big fan of that sound, Jon's voice is quite tolerable compared to live shows.

It would be great if Jon could focus on studio music and forget about touring for a few years. If this 2020 album doesn't work commercially.... After, maybe it's an option to release some EPs with new solo music, doing something completely different, outside of the Jovi formula, I'd even be willing to open my mind to listen to Jon in other current music styles if you need it.
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