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Old 10-25-2020, 12:59 AM
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The band should release Beautiful Drug as a single while the album is still new, it is in the band's top 10 most listened tracks in the last week on Last.FM.





EDIT: I think is worth mentioning that Luv Can is #11. I am amazed with how well this song is doing in all platforms, even though it is a bonus track.
Jon should let others in the band and label have a LOT more input into the track list and single selection. He's always been a really shitty A&R man....
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How long do you think Jon will tour the new album?

There is still no tour due to this damn world situation, but as soon as things are fixed, how long will they be doing shows from an album that talks about this year? I think will be dated album next year, and 2022 sounds so late that it loses all the impact and value of most of these songs.

So, for how long will Jon be pushing this album in the media and How long will be the possible the next tour?


Will there be a plan B as an EP? another new album in 2022?

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Knowing when touring will resume will make all the difference. When that resumes it's not like things like the BLM movement and shootings and immigration will all be "fixed" or not in the media, I don't think the subject matter will feel dated. Hell, Blood in the Water is already two years old and we're talking about it now.
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Old 10-25-2020, 07:59 AM
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I seriously wouldn’t bother touring it...you can’t call the 2020 tour in 2021 so it will have to be renamed to something like The Limitless tour plus who wants to be reminded of 2020 and a lot of the songs won’t work live. They’re too slow. The 2 bonus tracks (the better songs) will only get played, if at all, on a runaway acoustic gig.

This albums flopped so badly in US and UK that he’d be better off playing 1 or 2 in a few years when another album is out on a different tour.

It’s been a bad year for Jon. Albums flopped, tour scrapped and now he is backing another US election runner up.

I’m reading this post and thinking it’s negative and I don’t meant to be but im Thinking if I were Jon I’d just forget about a tour to promote this album. Sales have dropped through the floor so just move on. He might be proud of it but the fans have voted with deciding not to buy it. But maybe it shows just how many people would’ve bought the last few as giving albums away with tickets has somewhat given a false “sales” figure.


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I think they played Who Says You Cant Go Home, Prayer and Do What You Can.


here Who Says You Cant Go Home

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I seriously wouldn’t bother touring it...you can’t call the 2020 tour in 2021 so it will have to be renamed to something like The Limitless tour plus who wants to be reminded of 2020 and a lot of the songs won’t work live. They’re too slow. The 2 bonus tracks (the better songs) will only get played, if at all, on a runaway acoustic gig.

This albums flopped so badly in US and UK that he’d be better off playing 1 or 2 in a few years when another album is out on a different tour.

It’s been a bad year for Jon. Albums flopped, tour scrapped and now he is backing another US election runner up.

I’m reading this post and thinking it’s negative and I don’t meant to be but im Thinking if I were Jon I’d just forget about a tour to promote this album. Sales have dropped through the floor so just move on. He might be proud of it but the fans have voted with deciding not to buy it. But maybe it shows just how many people would’ve bought the last few as giving albums away with tickets has somewhat given a false “sales” figure.


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First of all. Of course he can tour an album called 2020 in 2021... and he can also tour it in 2022 because one has nothing to do with the other. Plus, people understand that there was a pandemic delay. It's not like people are going to be confused and stand there scratching their heads. Jon can just call it the Clear Vision tour or even cooler, The Beautiful Drug tour. At the end of day, it really doesn't matter...

Second, I don't think the album totally flopped. Underatand, Bon Jovi is no longer a mainstream act. I'm reading comments like "Queen / Adam Lamber and Mariah Carey have albums coming out so Jon has competition"... Wake up call...They are not Jon's main competitors either. There is an entire new generation of music out there that anyone over the age of 30 never even heard of. The entire music platform has changed and even mainstream radio don't dictate the music charts like they once did. An almost 60 year old rock star landing a top 20 spot is a lot better than most can and have done at that point.

Jon's platform is New Album, TV/Radio Promos, Tour. That's the combo that works for him. Without the tour, he loses that 1 2 3 punch.

Unfortunately, he needed to get the album about before the election or he probably would have held it until he could tour. The album in itself isn't overly political but his talking points are. The album was just the gateway for him to talk politics during radio and tv promo.






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First of all. Of course he can tour an album called 2020 in 2021... and he can also tour it in 2022 because one has nothing to do with the other. Plus, people understand that there was a pandemic delay. It's not like people are going to be confused and stand there scratching their heads. Jon can just call it the Clear Vision tour or even cooler, The Beautiful Drug tour. At the end of day, it really doesn't matter...

Second, I don't think the album totally flopped. Underatand, Bon Jovi is no longer a mainstream act. I'm reading comments like "Queen / Adam Lamber and Mariah Carey have albums coming out so Jon has competition"... Wake up call...They are not Jon's main competitors either. There is an entire new generation of music out there that anyone over the age of 30 never even heard of. The entire music platform has changed and even mainstream radio don't dictate the music charts like they once did. An almost 60 year old rock star landing a top 20 spot is a lot better than most can and have done at that point.

Jon's platform is New Album, TV/Radio Promos, Tour. That's the combo that works for him. Without the tour, he loses that 1 2 3 punch.

Unfortunately, he needed to get the album about before the election or he probably would have held it until he could tour. The album in itself isn't overly political but his talking points are. The album was just the gateway for him to talk politics during radio and tv promo.

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Whatever it is, we will see what happens, how this crisis moves, who winner the elections, if Jon reacts to this or does not lift a finger until a better time comes.

It is good to know that next week we will have the JBJ Experience, I have no idea what it could be, I hope it does not disappoint us and it is something interesting.
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First of all. Of course he can tour an album called 2020 in 2021... and he can also tour it in 2022 because one has nothing to do with the other. Plus, people understand that there was a pandemic delay. It's not like people are going to be confused and stand there scratching their heads. Jon can just call it the Clear Vision tour or even cooler, The Beautiful Drug tour. At the end of day, it really doesn't matter...

Second, I don't think the album totally flopped. Underatand, Bon Jovi is no longer a mainstream act. I'm reading comments like "Queen / Adam Lamber and Mariah Carey have albums coming out so Jon has competition"... Wake up call...They are not Jon's main competitors either. There is an entire new generation of music out there that anyone over the age of 30 never even heard of. The entire music platform has changed and even mainstream radio don't dictate the music charts like they once did. An almost 60 year old rock star landing a top 20 spot is a lot better than most can and have done at that point.

Jon's platform is New Album, TV/Radio Promos, Tour. That's the combo that works for him. Without the tour, he loses that 1 2 3 punch.

Unfortunately, he needed to get the album about before the election or he probably would have held it until he could tour. The album in itself isn't overly political but his talking points are. The album was just the gateway for him to talk politics during radio and tv promo.






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First of all. Of course he can tour an album called 2020 in 2021... and he can also tour it in 2022 because one has nothing to do with the other. Plus, people understand that there was a pandemic delay. It's not like people are going to be confused and stand there scratching their heads. Jon can just call it the Clear Vision tour or even cooler, The Beautiful Drug tour. At the end of day, it really doesn't matter...

Second, I don't think the album totally flopped. Underatand, Bon Jovi is no longer a mainstream act. I'm reading comments like "Queen / Adam Lamber and Mariah Carey have albums coming out so Jon has competition"... Wake up call...They are not Jon's main competitors either. There is an entire new generation of music out there that anyone over the age of 30 never even heard of. The entire music platform has changed and even mainstream radio don't dictate the music charts like they once did. An almost 60 year old rock star landing a top 20 spot is a lot better than most can and have done at that point.

Jon's platform is New Album, TV/Radio Promos, Tour. That's the combo that works for him. Without the tour, he loses that 1 2 3 punch.

Unfortunately, he needed to get the album about before the election or he probably would have held it until he could tour. The album in itself isn't overly political but his talking points are. The album was just the gateway for him to talk politics during radio and tv promo.



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Agreed!
Also I just didn't buy the album because the physical copies weren't release in my country.
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I seriously wouldn’t bother touring it...you can’t call the 2020 tour in 2021 so it will have to be renamed to something like The Limitless tour plus who wants to be reminded of 2020 and a lot of the songs won’t work live. They’re too slow. The 2 bonus tracks (the better songs) will only get played, if at all, on a runaway acoustic gig.

This albums flopped so badly in US and UK that he’d be better off playing 1 or 2 in a few years when another album is out on a different tour.

It’s been a bad year for Jon. Albums flopped, tour scrapped and now he is backing another US election runner up.

I’m reading this post and thinking it’s negative and I don’t meant to be but im Thinking if I were Jon I’d just forget about a tour to promote this album. Sales have dropped through the floor so just move on. He might be proud of it but the fans have voted with deciding not to buy it. But maybe it shows just how many people would’ve bought the last few as giving albums away with tickets has somewhat given a false “sales” figure.


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Not touring the album because the title of the tour might confuse people is ridiculous.

I don't think your post is negative, its just not routed in reality. THINFS more than likely had VERY similar numbers, there's just no curtain any more to pull back and they still toured the hell out of it. Only difference now is they can't lie about it.
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Jon should let others in the band and label have a LOT more input into the track list and single selection. He's always been a really shitty A&R man....
But think of all the bonehead moves the label forced on the band single release wise. We got All About Loving You over The Distance. There's no wrong or right answer for what will work with the general public with a band that hasn't had much success with a new song in 13 years.
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