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Old 11-04-2020, 09:44 AM
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I know it's already been mentioned, I just want to check.

Do all the physical copies of all the editions have the shorter version of Unbroken?

I've just got my Japanese edition and it's the shorter one. What about the US or international editions?


Btw..
Let me revise the history of that song:

1. They release a single, the track has over six minutes.
2. They release a video, the track is shortened to over 5 minutes.
3. They release a choir version but someone f**ks up and there is no lead singer. The track has slightly changed lyrics to be more universal and not American. The track has over 5 minutes.
4. A few hours later the track is replaced with the correct version now including the lead singer (narrator in that case)
5. They finally release the album and someone f**ks up again so the video version cut is on the physical copies.
6. A few days later they release a deluxe version of the album online, which has the correct, longest version.

Not to mention that it doesn't make any sense to buy the hysical copy because no matter how much you pay, you get less than when you have Spotify.. There you can find the long version of Unbroken, plus both Japanese bonuses plus another bonus - the duet version of DWYC.
Shouldn't it be the other way? To offer the stripped down edition to the streaming services and online shops and release a worthhwile edition to support physical copies? The only physical bonus I got is a DVD. Yes a DVD in year 2020 as a part of an album even called 2020. The videos on youtbe are in higher resolution. I mean they should have waited with the deluxe edition (but announce it!) and include the live version of the album there. But still, DVD doesn't make any sense today, put there a bluray. Otherwise the package is really beautiful, making it look like an LP. There I can see the added value of the physical copy.

I'd be more than happy to listen to the album online or even buy the iTunes edition and wait a month for them release a deluxe version as mentioned above.

I don't regret spending the money. I just don't get the "business" behind. I feel a bit ripped off for being a loyal fan.
I've just discovered that my CD also has the shorter version of Unbroken (5:16 instead of 6:08 ) because the local Universal distributor f***ed up and fulfilled my preorder on Oct. 23 instead. During that time, I had been listening to the CD-rip I had made with the longer cut and naturally assumed that the physical album would contain the full Unbroken track rather than the single edit. Now I regret having purchased what is shaping up to be a crippled standard edition which is expected to be succeeded by a deluxe one for Christmas. Had I known there'd be a deluxe CD with Luv Can, Shine , the DWYC duet and the uncut Unbroken, I'd gladly have skipped on what we were given now.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:12 AM
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I've just discovered that my CD also has the shorter version of Unbroken (5:16 instead of 6:08 ) because the local Universal distributor f***ed up and fulfilled my preorder on Oct. 23 instead. During that time, I had been listening to the CD-rip I had made with the longer cut and naturally assumed that the physical album would contain the full Unbroken track rather than the single edit. Now I regret having purchased what is shaping up to be a crippled standard edition which is expected to be succeeded by a deluxe one for Christmas. Had I known there'd be a deluxe CD with Luv Can, Shine , the DWYC duet and the uncut Unbroken, I'd gladly have skipped on what we were given now.
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Old 11-04-2020, 11:02 AM
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It doesn't make any sense to release a physical deluxe edition which will be the same as the online versions.
However if they add something really valuable, I'll be really pissed off for buying the Japanese deluxe now. I do it with all albums. On the other hand, I can only imagine that the bonus might a DVD or hopefully Bluray with album played live. I can live without that. I'd be really really pissed off if they add new music on the album. It might be just country DWYC and that's also something I can live without

Anyway, they really should annouce such things beforehand. There aren't many people who buy physical copies so ripping them off is not a good idea.

As I've said - i'd be completely fine with an online version album the day it's released and I'd wait for a deluxe box for Christmas for example. I just don't want to buy the physical one twice.
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Old 11-04-2020, 11:15 AM
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It doesn't make any sense to release a physical deluxe edition which will be the same as the online versions.
However if they add something really valuable, I'll be really pissed off for buying the Japanese deluxe now. I do it with all albums. On the other hand, I can only imagine that the bonus might a DVD or hopefully Bluray with album played live. I can live without that. I'd be really really pissed off if they add new music on the album. It might be just country DWYC and that's also something I can live without

Anyway, they really should annouce such things beforehand. There aren't many people who buy physical copies so ripping them off is not a good idea.

As I've said - i'd be completely fine with an online version album the day it's released and I'd wait for a deluxe box for Christmas for example. I just don't want to buy the physical one twice.
Yep. But I would be happy if they release a Christmas edition with more bonus tracks. It is the only thing that would attract me to buy it. Simply launch a deluxe edition with 20 songs.

About the recorded concert playing the album, I prefer it to just be a streaming thing.

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I wonder if Jon actually knows how great Blood In The Water actaully is.

He promotes the album like Do What You Can is its saving grace meanwhile he's got the gem sitting right in front of him.

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As it was wrote 2 years ago he's probably long forgotten about it.



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I think way too much has been made of jon saying there's a deluxe version out later.

The original barely sold so why would label pump money into a deluxe?

If there is one i think the 2 bonuses tracks and video DVD will be added as that's it.

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I think way too much has been made of jon saying there's a deluxe version out later.

The original barely sold so why would label pump money into a deluxe?

If there is one i think the 2 bonuses tracks and video DVD will be added as that's it.

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That would be a complete waste, who wants that dvd when a streaming you can get it in 1080p?

If you are going to waste an disc, at least include more bonus tracks, at least it will be sold thanks to the fans. Or if you are not willing to spend one disc, then fill the first disc with several bonus tracks that we do not know.

At the end of the day, we win, because we will get more songs.
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Old 11-04-2020, 03:28 PM
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That would be a complete waste, who wants that dvd when a streaming you can get it in 1080p?



If you are going to waste an disc, at least include more bonus tracks, at least it will be sold thanks to the fans. Or if you are not willing to spend one disc, then fill the first disc with several bonus tracks that we do not know.



At the end of the day, we win, because we will get more songs.
But the "fans" didn't exactly buy the original.
I just don't see the label saying "this bombed but yeah we will release a deluxe version".

I hope we do get a deluxe version but I don't see it.

I just think if one is released it will just have 2 Japanese tracks on them as I think Jon was surprised they were liked so much.

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But the "fans" didn't exactly buy the original.
I just don't see the label saying "this bombed but yeah we will release a deluxe version".

I hope we do get a deluxe version but I don't see it.

I just think if one is released it will just have 2 Japanese tracks on them as I think Jon was surprised they were liked so much.

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Most definitely. Even more so, since there is already a Deluxe edition, albeit only in digital form. If a physical one is released, it will most likely be exactly that. I wouldn't keep my hopes up for something else, at least...
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Albums under-selling is a big reason of why they get re-released with bonus content though. A new single, a new video, some bonus content and you can pass it off like an "extended edition". If it was selling well there'd be no reason to try again with this. They need product to remind people they're still out there with no touring.

This isn't about attracting the fanbase, it's about getting people who haven't already bought it to give it a second chance.
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