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Old 11-11-2020, 06:40 PM
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Here a review and comparative of Bruce Springsteen new Abum with Bon Jovi: "Bruce Springsteen keeps his fans, Bon Jovi sinks"
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Basically Bruce keeps his fans and Bon Jovi is not doing it.



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Old 11-11-2020, 07:55 PM
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Dry County didn't succeed as a single when the band was almost at it's peak in Europe. What makes you think Blood in the Water would do any better when it's fanbase is much much much muuuuuch lower?

I do agree Beautiful Drug has a better shot. But I think Thinny is right, no matter what they put out it's an uphill battle to live up to the name and the hits. Releasing lowest common denominator singles has always been the norm and if those don't work, it's not like the deep album cuts will save the day. I'd love to see them take chances and try but if the poppier stuff doesn't land why should they?
I think all three of you are right.
Limitless and Do What You Can were bad choices to introduce the album.
Blood In The Water or Beautiful Drug would have been better choices but they most probably wouldn't have sold one album more with them either.

I think it's a problem every "old" act has. When you've been around a certain period of time I think there comes a point where it is impossible to have a new big hit anymore because everybody's just looking at the classics.
When you have a look at all those big acts...Bon Jovi, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, AC/DC or even U2...none of them had a number 1 single in the last 20 years. (oh, the Stones just did with Ghost Town...damn it!)
The best shot those kind of acts have are the albums. The Stones or AC/DC will always have No. 1 records because 1) they're considered cool and 2) they don't overflow the market with new music. Springsteen is loved by his fans, by the critics and by music fans - so getting his albums to No. 1 is no magic either.
But Bon Jovi weren't considered cool even during their prime. They could convince a lot of casuals to buy their music, but they never were accepted in the holy halls of Rock & Roll. And besides that, since 2000 their output of new music and their touring were just insane. People grew tired of them, even most of the die-hards. And with the decline in quality those lost fans won't come back. SO here we are - 68.000 copies sold in the first week.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:29 PM
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Honestly, I'm kinda sick of the camparisons with Bruce. Maybe it's because one of my friends is a huge fan and teases me/us anytime it is possible.

There are tons of acts that do certain things better. I listen to a lot of other music and still can enjoy Bon Jovi and I don't need to say this or that someone else does better. I know the comparison is obvious not only that they are both from New Jersey but the way Jon takes inspiration from the Boss. Unfotunately once he does something which is not typical BJ and something that fits his destroyed voice he accused of trying to be like Bruce. Actually I'm so annoyed by Bruce that I haven't listened to his album yet. He is amazing live but I consider his record rather boring. And the first single was extremely boring, the second one was a typical Estreet Band rock song. Still no need for me to listen to the album.

I'm really happay about what we got last BJ's album. Still go back to it as a full album (only the original order). The two ultimate songs I can't get out of my head are Blood In The Water and Lower The Flag.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:34 PM
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I think all three of you are right.
Limitless and Do What You Can were bad choices to introduce the album.
Blood In The Water or Beautiful Drug would have been better choices but they most probably wouldn't have sold one album more with them either.

I think it's a problem every "old" act has. When you've been around a certain period of time I think there comes a point where it is impossible to have a new big hit anymore because everybody's just looking at the classics.
When you have a look at all those big acts...Bon Jovi, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, AC/DC or even U2...none of them had a number 1 single in the last 20 years. (oh, the Stones just did with Ghost Town...damn it!)
The best shot those kind of acts have are the albums. The Stones or AC/DC will always have No. 1 records because 1) they're considered cool and 2) they don't overflow the market with new music. Springsteen is loved by his fans, by the critics and by music fans - so getting his albums to No. 1 is no magic either.
But Bon Jovi weren't considered cool even during their prime. They could convince a lot of casuals to buy their music, but they never were accepted in the holy halls of Rock & Roll. And besides that, since 2000 their output of new music and their touring were just insane. People grew tired of them, even most of the die-hards. And with the decline in quality those lost fans won't come back. SO here we are - 68.000 copies sold in the first week.
You said it better than I ever could. It doesn't matter what the band chose as a single, their last two hits:

One of them required them to work with Max Martin and follow the trend of boy bands
The other one required them to cross over to the country market. Those are the two unarguable, big hits from the last TWENTY. YEARS. Putting out an album cut we all super enjoy isn't a guaranteed anything, going to what the most amount of people will like is and, sorry to say, Limitless and DWYC fit that bill to a T.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:42 PM
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Will JBJ be concerned how "2020" did? The music industry is different from when Bon Jovi were at their peak.

I love 2020 as an album ( except Unbroken), should have included Luv can and Shine on the CD's. Not that I saying it would improved the figures.

Will JBJ Change his approach? No. He's nearing 60, I'm happy if JBJ released an album like "2020", "HAND", "TC", "THINFS", and BB. I never cared about the sales, it was and still is the music.

If he was after popularity and sales he would change his music.

But his vocal issues, limits him to the music what he does now. And what the hardcore fans may want of the sound of the 80's/90's......which they are never going to get.

2020, proved to me Bon Jovi aren't a legacy band, but people may argue the sales for it proved the opposite.

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Will JBJ be concerned how "2020" did? The music industry is different from when Bon Jovi were at their peak.

I love 2020 as an album ( except Unbroken), should have included Luv can and Shine on the CD's. Not that I saying it would improved the figures.

Will JBJ Change his approach? No. He's nearing 60, I'm happy if JBJ released an album like "2020", "HAND", "TC", "THINFS", and BB.

If he was after popularity and sales he would change his music.

But his vocal issues, limits him to the music hardcore fans may want......which are never going to get.

2020, proved to me Bon Jovi aren't a legacy band, but people may argue the sales for it proved the opposite.
I don't think he'll be surprised, it's not like he was in the dark with how previous albums sold. They were propped up to look like they sold well but he knows the real numbers. I really hope he just accepts it and does what makes him happy. No more songs like Limitless if it doesn't lead to more record sales one would hope.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:50 PM
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I don't think he'll be surprised, it's not like he was in the dark with how previous albums sold. They were propped up to look like they sold well but he knows the real numbers. I really hope he just accepts it and does what makes him happy. No more songs like Limitless if it doesn't lead to more record sales one would hope.
I do think, after feedback to fans favorites of "2020" he will have an idea of what to do as singles for the next album....one hopes.....

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Old 11-11-2020, 09:02 PM
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Will JBJ be concerned how "2020" did? The music industry is different from when Bon Jovi were at their peak.

I love 2020 as an album ( except Unbroken), should have included Luv can and Shine on the CD's. Not that I saying it would improved the figures.

Will JBJ Change his approach? No. He's nearing 60, I'm happy if JBJ released an album like "2020", "HAND", "TC", "THINFS", and BB. I never cared about the sales, it was and still is the music.

If he was after popularity and sales he would change his music.

But his vocal issues, limits him to the music what he does now. And what the hardcore fans may want of the sound of the 80's/90's......which they are never going to get.

2020, proved to me Bon Jovi aren't a legacy band, but people may argue the sales for it proved the opposite.
I think Jon said that he "knew" 2020 wouldn't make to the top of charts 'cause this was a different kind of record.

As far as I read/heard he is pretty happy with it.
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Old 11-11-2020, 10:47 PM
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Dry County didn't succeed as a single when the band was almost at it's peak in Europe. What makes you think Blood in the Water would do any better when it's fanbase is much much much muuuuuch lower?
i would put blood in the water more in the same category of songs as bed of roses, this ain't a love song and always and bon jovi is/was famous for big(power) ballads
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Old 11-11-2020, 10:51 PM
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I love the “unplugged” version of Atlantic city.

68,000 copies world wide. That’s savage.

On a side note I’ve not listened to the album for about a month. I’ll go back to it at some point. Still like Blood in the water, Luv Can and Lower the flag.

Just too many other albums with songs I like a lot more to listen to. Really into the new Bruce album and looking forward to this Friday with new Ac/DC I got the ltd edition picture vinyl coming. I was also lucky enough to get the record store day release of Skid Rows 1991 classic Slave to the Grind on double Red vinyl with 4 bonus tracks. So that is on heavy rotation. New Foo fighters song is decent as well.


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