All Time Best 1984-2024 : New Japanese Release

steel_horse75 · #51 11-30-2024, 01:50 PM

so heres the break down of how many songs from each album..

Debut 3
7800 2
SWW 7
NJ 6
KTF 7
Cross Roads 2
TD 4
Crush 3
Bounce 3
HAND 4
LH 2
Circle 3
WAN 1
THINFS 1
B Bridges 0
2020 0
Forever 2

Total 50

I guess the Japanese also thought the material has taken a real decline since WAN!
They also agree that the strongest era was SWW to TD.

Really suprised that 4 from HAND make it.

Im amazed that Blood in the Water from 2020 doesnt get on but clearly 2020 didnt go down at all well and neither did B Bridges as Tear Drop is a great song but.... zero songs from those 2 make it.

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bonjovi90 · #52 11-30-2024, 09:59 PM

Bon Jovi was big in Japan from their start up until the HAND era. 5 to 6 shows per tour, some of the best setlists. They all blew that with the release of Lost Highway over there. When the Tokyo Dome concert aired in 2008, the stands (or most of them) were empty. After that - 2 shows per tour, maximized vanilla saturation of the setlists. Nothing special anywhere at all anymore.
Jon took that hit personally, that's obvious. And that's the reason why there was rarely a vote for any later-released stuff by the fans in Japan (if there were any at all and it wasn't just put on to make it look halfway balanced).

Supersonic · #53 12-01-2024, 10:11 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Bon Jovi was big in Japan from their start up until the HAND era. 5 to 6 shows per tour, some of the best setlists. They all blew that with the release of Lost Highway over there. When the Tokyo Dome concert aired in 2008, the stands (or most of them) were empty. After that - 2 shows per tour, maximized vanilla saturation of the setlists. Nothing special anywhere at all anymore.
Jon took that hit personally, that's obvious. And that's the reason why there was rarely a vote for any later-released stuff by the fans in Japan (if there were any at all and it wasn't just put on to make it look halfway balanced).

This is partially true. In order to tour in another country 2 things are of major influence. A big hit and a weak or strong foreign currency.

In 2003, Bon Jovi had just released It's My Life and with the shows for the Bounce tour going on sale in 2002, it's fair to say people bought a ticket for that tour based upon the succes of the previous single.

In 2008, Bon Jovi hadn't had a big hit in Japan in 3 years so the extra push in ticket sales had to come from singles released on Lost Highway. The singles did okay, but the strong Yen made it more difficult to tour there.

The Yen got stronger in subsequent years so touring Japan had only gotten more expensive. In 2003 you'd get about 115 Yen for a dollar. In 2010 you'd get about 80, meaning everything you'd have to pay would be a lot, lot more expensive.

As for Bon Jovi's popularity; them taking the pop route is what killed them in Japan. There's a huge market there for rereleases in regards to classic rock acts. Book Shop Ito and Disk Union have loads of special releases catered towards Japanese fans.

Bon Jovi however are a pop band nowadays and not held/no longer held in the same regard. Bounce started the decline and the band never really recovered. Japanese people haven't got the faintest clue of what the band is singing about because most Japanese people really speak terrible English. They're mostly looking for a sound that's been absent in Bon Jovi's music for 20 years now.

The documentary shines a light on the history of the band so obviously this'll regain some of their popularity. Would Jon's voice be okay I'm pretty positive we'd be back to 6 shows again because the Yen is incredibly weak nowadays (150 Yen for a dollar right now) and the nostalgia factor does them a huge favor as well.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

bonjovi_cro · #54 12-01-2024, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

This is partially true. In order to tour in another country 2 things are of major influence. A big hit and a weak or strong foreign currency.

In 2003, Bon Jovi had just released It's My Life and with the shows for the Bounce tour going on sale in 2002, it's fair to say people bought a ticket for that tour based upon the succes of the previous single.

In 2008, Bon Jovi hadn't had a big hit in Japan in 3 years so the extra push in ticket sales had to come from singles released on Lost Highway. The singles did okay, but the strong Yen made it more difficult to tour there.

The Yen got stronger in subsequent years so touring Japan had only gotten more expensive. In 2003 you'd get about 115 Yen for a dollar. In 2010 you'd get about 80, meaning everything you'd have to pay would be a lot, lot more expensive.

As for Bon Jovi's popularity; them taking the pop route is what killed them in Japan. There's a huge market there for rereleases in regards to classic rock acts. Book Shop Ito and Disk Union have loads of special releases catered towards Japanese fans.

Bon Jovi however are a pop band nowadays and not held/no longer held in the same regard. Bounce started the decline and the band never really recovered. Japanese people haven't got the faintest clue of what the band is singing about because most Japanese people really speak terrible English. They're mostly looking for a sound that's been absent in Bon Jovi's music for 20 years now.

The documentary shines a light on the history of the band so obviously this'll regain some of their popularity. Would Jon's voice be okay I'm pretty positive we'd be back to 6 shows again because the Yen is incredibly weak nowadays (150 Yen for a dollar right now) and the nostalgia factor does them a huge favor as well.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Good points about exchange rate, I agree it's very important. Especially in 2010-11, yen was at an all time high. But if the band had a continued relevance in Japan, even that wouldn't be an obstacle to make several shows more there, as evidenced in These Days tour. If I'm seeing correctly, Jovi played 8 shows in 95 and 96 in Japan only, while the exchange rate was very similar (under 100 yens for USD), with a low of 85 in spring of 1995.

My personal view was that Jovi neglected Japan after early 2000's for some reason. Was it that Jon never really connected and/or never was loyal (contrary to band's own words about Japan being really important early on) or was it the general decline of Japan's economy, that was struggling with liquidity trap and stagnation for more than 20 years. Either case, I think a bit more promo there and pushing of singles/albums would leave them in legendary rock band territory. I don't necessarily think that because Jovi put out pop(pop-rock) albums from Crush onwards damaged their legacy, cause most people didn't even hear it.

Alphavictim · #55 12-07-2024, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Jon took that hit personally, that's obvious.

How can the CEO (man, that word surely has a less shiny connotation these days) not be aware that Lost Highway was a super duper US American centric record? How the **** are Japanese people who take the Shinkansen to work everyday going to relate to songs about lost highways, dashboard Jesus and fiddles?

Captain_jovi · #56 12-07-2024, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim

How can the CEO (man, that word surely has a less shiny connotation these days) not be aware that Lost Highway was a super duper US American centric record? How the **** are Japanese people who take the Shinkansen to work everyday going to relate to songs about lost highways, dashboard Jesus and fiddles?

I get what you're saying but I've never worked on a dock, been a poet, preacher, teacher, or or a 17 year old sex worker.

Alphavictim · #57 12-07-2024, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

I get what you're saying but I've never worked on a dock, been a poet, preacher, teacher, or or a 17 year old sex worker.

But you've faced hard times
you've strutted around all cocky
and you've seen tragic girls thinking you could fix them

I have no personal connection to pick up truck country

angelsambo · #58 12-25-2024, 09:10 PM

ジョン・ボン・ジョヴィインタビュー　～ワイドスクランブル　12/20/2024

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Supersonic · #59 12-26-2024, 10:28 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by angelsambo

ジョン・ボン・ジョヴィインタビュー　～ワイドスクランブル　12/20/2024

- YouTube

I feel it's all a bit sad up to this point. I've a feeling Jon, much like last time, is lying through his teeth about his voice.

Imagine you're part of a big band, and your lead singer's vocals are completely shot. He insists on holding "rehearsals," even though everyone—including him—knows they're pointless because the band doesn't actually need to practice. But this is your livelihood, so you pack your bags and travel from Florida to New Jersey, play along, and pretend to enjoy it. Every time, you dutifully say, "Wow, there's some improvement—see you next time!" Then you shrug it off and go back to your life, knowing the cycle will repeat. It goes on like this until the lead singer either accepts that he can't hit the road again or stubbornly pushes forward with the same terrible shows he said he never wished to repeat.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Talking In Your Sleep · #60 01-01-2025, 05:54 PM

He needs to work with Sambora again to save his career. Richie can still sing pretty good, and Jon can sing along parts when his voice allows him to. That would be totally acceptable to the fans.

But the problem is their egos. Jon always wanted to be the leader and the mainman. And now he is in trouble and doesnt really have a backup plan. If he had given Richie more space in the band in the past they could have worked this out.

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