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Old 03-18-2013, 07:19 PM
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Huge drop.

The Circle opened with 75,114 and the Greatest Hits with 87,145.
Serious question:

Are you a troll or just really stupid?
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:30 PM
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Also, it won't change anything as Jon does what Jon does and - as I have said before - when some young band get a BIG hit in the US with a song that sounds like it came straight off of NJ, he'll be reclaiming his roots faster than John Shanks can say 'I can do rock, honest.'
As Captain_jovi said, Shanks can do Rock music.

He's best known for working with Pop acts, but last year he produced the new Van Halen album and it sounds like a classic Van Halen's Roth era album.

He does what the artist wants.

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Old 03-18-2013, 07:55 PM
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The bit about Shanks saying, 'I can do rock' ... that was the one part of my post I don't really think will happen and two people pick up on it!

Seriously though, Shanks will be the one who pays the price anyway, Jon never blames anyone except the record company (lack of support) and the producer - out on their ear if an album flops - Shanks will go the same way as Ebbin and Collins if sales don't pick up.
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That's what's so baffling. The Circle bombed, at least by their own numbers. Once Bounce sunk, so did Ebbin. They brought Shanks back twice more after that.
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With 36% data reported by Soundscan Bon Jovi has sold 30,325 so probably when all sales are reported it will sell 90,000 as predicted by billboard
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John Shanks is the culprit, just to do exactly what you want Jon. A good producer knows rock guide the artist in the right way. John Shanks has a good ear, a good engineer for sound quality, but a horrible producer.

With Van Halen, Eddie had all the songs finished before calling Shanks. Contributed nothing, just the sound mix. However with Bon Jovi, even co-writing songs, and this must end, will not sustain another album with John Shanks in production.

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John Shanks is the culprit, just to do exactly what you want Jon. A good producer knows rock guide the artist in the right way. John Shanks has a good ear, a good engineer for sound quality, but a horrible producer.

With Van Halen, Shanks just record what I wanted Eddie, himself working as a sound engineer. However with Bon Jovi, even co-writing songs, and this must end, will not sustain another album with John Shanks in production.
This is crazy talk. No producer will ever stand up to Jon and keep their Job. Jon knows what he wants, middle of the road rock/pop, and will get it from whatever producer agrees to it. I don't know what you want, you just said Van Halen's record sounded great because he just recorded what Eddie wanted, you're contradicting yourself.
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This is crazy talk. No producer will ever stand up to Jon and keep their Job. Jon knows what he wants, middle of the road rock/pop, and will get it from whatever producer agrees to it. I don't know what you want, you just said Van Halen's record sounded great because he just recorded what Eddie wanted, you're contradicting yourself.
Van Halen was in the studio with finished songs. However in Bon Jovi records with John Shanks is developed from the beginning of the creation of songs. Here is the result.
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Van Halen was in the studio with finished songs. However in Bon Jovi records with John Shanks is developed from the beginning of the creation of songs. Here is the result.
But, love it or hate it, which you hate it, it's what Jon and the band asked for. John Shanks isn't shoving his ideas down their throats and if they have no say.
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But, love it or hate it, which you hate it, it's what Jon and the band asked for. John Shanks isn't shoving his ideas down their throats and if they have no say.
Ok, but an example.

1-John Shanks produced an album as Jon wants.
2-Then, other producer (Example: Brendan Obrien), produces the same disc with Jon, and the way you want Jon.

I can assure you that the two albums, despite having the same songs and Jon this agree, sound very different, will have different structures, different sound and even different lyrics.

A different result. That's what you need Bon Jovi.


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