Living Proof - New song snippet

I remember the the UK run had a lot of 2 for 1 offers and cut price tickets for some of the shows. So while they still managed stadiums it wasn't as easy of a sell as previous tours. That was also the first time that people came away from the shows realising that Jon's voice was a real problem. So I'm not sure that a lot of those people would go back. The documentary may have gained some new interest, and pulled some old fans back, so it would be interesting to see how a stadium run would do this time round. I feel like it could go either way...

Living Proof debutes in UK at No. 34 at the Official Singles Sales Chart.

By comparison, Legendary debuted at No. 91, peaking at No. 27 and spending 4 weeks on charts.

I'm not optimistic Living Proof will do better with basically no promo, but I guess it depends if official video is out, and what promo is done/when next single drops in regards to album release.

https://www.officialcharts.com/songs...-living-proof/

What point are you trying to make, as you responded to something specific I said? All I said is I remember people doubting they could do a stadium tour. They did indeed do a stadium tour. There are bands that could give away free tickets to everyone and not fill a stadium.

The point I was making was clear in the rest of my post that you chopped out of the quote - people had good reason to doubt that they could do stadiums as they didn't have the same pull in 2019 that the did in the 90s and early 2000s. I was just continuing the discussion about whether they would be able to do a stadium tour or not for this album.

34 is a decent debut. The song is B-listed on Radio 2 right now, so I think it has the potential to go higher. The chorus being catchy as hell will help.

I didn't say people didn't have good reason to doubt. I pointed out a fact, that there was doubt. That's why the part I quoted from you confused me. Regarding the point, time has shown that there was no good reason because the band did in fact do a tour. So, the reasoning beforehand was shoddy. Mine included by the way, as I was one of those with doubts.

This time, I have less doubts and think a stadium tour is more of a sure thing. Although, I do doubt whether Jon will be able to ever do it again.

But the band did less shows than they normally would and needed to do 2 4 1 offers and reduced tickets to sell them, so it's clear that the bands popularity as a touring act was on the decline here. It had been a number of years since the band had last toured here, so in theory there should have been more of a demand but there was less... which was my point. An arena tour would have been very successful but a stadium tour was a struggle numbers wise.

Whether the band are still on the decline (ticket sales wise) or not remains to be seen. I certainly am not seeing much of a renewed interest in the UK in general and I do believe that Jon's vocals on the last tour damaged their reputation somewhat. I'm not sure that the documentary has really been a massive success in England. I really don't know many people that watched it and Disney didn't seem to push it much here at all. So I'm not sure if that will have helped any or not. Time will tell....

I think if there is a tour in 2025, they will do standard schedule with Europe in early(ish) summer. Probably with fewer dates at first, to see the demand.

But on a personal note, I'd also like to see Jovi in Europe on full blown arena tour. Jon never wanted to do it probably cause it means to him they are lowering themselves as a stadium act or whatever, except that O2 stint.

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It'll be hard to do fewer dates with a production the size of Bon Jovi. Doing fewer shows means production costs will have to be spread out over fewer shows, which means higher ticket prices, which is something Bon Jovi can't afford in Europe as last tour had plenty of 2 for 1 deals just to be able to fill the more expensive areas of the venues.

The 2019 tour still had 2 stages and 1 week off in the middle of the tour. Regardless of Jon's voice he'd still need a similar schedule and with nowadays market it'll be a tough sell. While GnR and Metallica can charge 150 to 200 Euro for a Golden Circle ticket, Bon Jovi struggled to sell all GC tickets for half the price.

Bon Jovi don't play arenas because they can't get their fee this way. At the O2 they still got the same they'd get if they'd be playing stadiums but because of it both being a residency and AEG wanting to recoup the loss of the Michael Jackson fiasco. Bon Jovi didn't need to travel so no build/take down for 10 shows and AEG was happy with anyone filling the venue multiple nights in a row. It's why ticket prices were so very very steep and ultimately none of the shows actually sold well.

Would Bon Jovi get the same amount of money for an arena show like they would for a stadium show they'd absolutely be playing arenas at some places instead. The production for an arena show is a lot, lot smaller and they could travel with 1 stage as opposed to 2, meaning 1 crew instead of 2 and never more than 1 venue booked at the same time.

It's not going to happen though.

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Yeah I agree it won't happen, if anything for ego reasons. But just for discussion, Jon could be presented with a choice between large possibility of doing half-empty stadiums or lowering their fee to do indoor leg of the tour and/or perhaps go for festivals for outdoor, with outsider production/stage.

Jovi did saturate and visit lots of markets (Eastern Europe, once when demand in Western Europe dried up). Perhaps now they could find some optimum minimum number of shows for 2 stages and set up shop in 10, 15 or so cities? Like Springsteen is doing double or triple shows in Milan and Madrid, catching obviously wider areas.

Or take 1 stage and do logistics so that's it's possible, with festivals around it? But all this is reliant on Jon's voice being relatively strong, otherwise festivals could be a PR disaster.