Living Proof - New song snippet

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

Yeah I agree it won't happen, if anything for ego reasons. But just for discussion, Jon could be presented with a choice between large possibility of doing half-empty stadiums or lowering their fee to do indoor leg of the tour and/or perhaps go for festivals for outdoor, with outsider production/stage.

Jovi did saturate and visit lots of markets (Eastern Europe, once when demand in Western Europe dried up). Perhaps now they could find some optimum minimum number of shows for 2 stages and set up shop in 10, 15 or so cities? Like Springsteen is doing double or triple shows in Milan and Madrid, catching obviously wider areas.

Or take 1 stage and do logistics so that's it's possible, with festivals around it? But all this is reliant on Jon's voice being relatively strong, otherwise festivals could be a PR disaster.

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !



Playing arenas in Europe has nothing to do with ego. Jon wants to play huge venues, but if he gets the same amount of money he'll play smaller places as well. Just look at Waldbuhne in Germany, a 32.000 people venue and then Munich which is roughly 80.000. Bon Jovi will play where the money goes. Jon and co. hand out their demands to local promoters (London, Vienna, Dublin, Munich) and then promoters build a tour around that.

They started playing Eastern Europe both because demand in Western Europe was lower but also because production costs in those countries are lower. Ticket prices are lower as well, and thus the band makes the same profit.

Springsteen does 3 shows in Madrid, but he plays 3 stadium shows. Bon Jovi can't do 3 stadium shows in the same places. Even Dublin, where they once did 3 shows, were still relatively small venues. If Bon Jovi were to do arenas they'd have to sign up to residencies, meaning a week in Munich, a week in London etc.

It takes about 6 days to get a stage this size from one place to the next. Traveling with 1 stage means needing to do 2 shows in between. Most big festivals are within the same 3 weeks and from friday to sunday. This means they can do 3 stadium shows in 3 weeks, which means it's not going to happen.

You used to need about 10 shows before the entire show on the road would make a profit but I'm going to assume that's all changed nowadays. And that excludes the fee the band is getting for going on tour in Europe. Lowering their fee is not going to happen, it'd mean promoters would realize they could ask less the next time the band is around.

Playing half empty stadiums hasn't happened so far because of promoters giving out deals left and right. Those have all been calculated because people who paid 200 Euro for a GC ticket have already paid for those who've been given the ticket for free.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !



Playing arenas in Europe has nothing to do with ego. Jon wants to play huge venues, but if he gets the same amount of money he'll play smaller places as well. Just look at Waldbuhne in Germany, a 32.000 people venue and then Munich which is roughly 80.000. Bon Jovi will play where the money goes. Jon and co. hand out their demands to local promoters (London, Vienna, Dublin, Munich) and then promoters build a tour around that.

They started playing Eastern Europe both because demand in Western Europe was lower but also because production costs in those countries are lower. Ticket prices are lower as well, and thus the band makes the same profit.

Springsteen does 3 shows in Madrid, but he plays 3 stadium shows. Bon Jovi can't do 3 stadium shows in the same places. Even Dublin, where they once did 3 shows, were still relatively small venues. If Bon Jovi were to do arenas they'd have to sign up to residencies, meaning a week in Munich, a week in London etc.

It takes about 6 days to get a stage this size from one place to the next. Traveling with 1 stage means needing to do 2 shows in between. Most big festivals are within the same 3 weeks and from friday to sunday. This means they can do 3 stadium shows in 3 weeks, which means it's not going to happen.

You used to need about 10 shows before the entire show on the road would make a profit but I'm going to assume that's all changed nowadays. And that excludes the fee the band is getting for going on tour in Europe. Lowering their fee is not going to happen, it'd mean promoters would realize they could ask less the next time the band is around.

Playing half empty stadiums hasn't happened so far because of promoters giving out deals left and right. Those have all been calculated because people who paid 200 Euro for a GC ticket have already paid for those who've been given the ticket for free.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

Either way, if tour is happening, then I'm convinced Europe stadium leg is happening also

Originally Posted by semigoodlooking

Me too, even if that includes 2x1 deals or whatever. We'll see who's correct in time. Actually, we might not as I fall on the side of Jon never being able to do a full tour again.

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

No. 22 on the UK Radio Airplay Chart, debut

https://ukairplaychart.com/

Btw, yesterday evening I went for drinks in city center and on radio for the first time heard Living Proof among more younger, pop songs blasting. So pleasantly surprised

Originally Posted by Butters

It would be nice if got in to the top 10 with some UK promo this week and the album release.

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

Living Proof debutes in UK at No. 34 at the Official Singles Sales Chart.

By comparison, Legendary debuted at No. 91, peaking at No. 27 and spending 4 weeks on charts.

I'm not optimistic Living Proof will do better with basically no promo, but I guess it depends if official video is out, and what promo is done/when next single drops in regards to album release.

https://www.officialcharts.com/songs...-living-proof/