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I doubt JBJ knows much about the whole affair at all. He signed some records mostly I'd assume. God knows he doesn't seem to use social media much, so to him the guy is probably just "the internet hype guy Matt got".

(Regarding Skid Row: Reminder that JBJ and Snake from Skid Row were childhood buddies.)

Yeah they were. I think Seb drove Jon mad. He started slagging Jbj off on stage during the New Jersey tour. So Jon hit him and then started saying to him that he owed him for everything.

He was right. Seb was a twat. Still is. Great voice though.


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Baz always thought Skid Row (and he as their singer) were closer to Judas Priest than to Bon Jovi. And that put a huge chip on his shoulder.

He had the pipes for sure, but he is a bit of a simpleton (the "Aids kills fags dead" shirt incident bears witness to this), and he didn't contribute to the writing of any of the classics. Huge ego, too. There's a reason Skid Row never reunited with him.

Snake has defended Jon on this time and time again throughout the years. All the members of Skid Row knew what they were getting into with their deal and Richie never gave any money back. He doesnt go into any specifics but everyone that made money off Skid Row also invested in them beforehand so, make that what you will. "They did make a lot of money off us but we did make a pretty penny ourselves in the process". That's about as negative a comment as Snake has ever said about Jon or Richie.

This trip isn’t actually a cruise.

I just think he stopped caring about delivering the best music he could and became more focused on being the biggest. In the early 2000s his narrative changed to x amount of this, x amount of that. He realized he could position Bon Jovi amongst the elite, at least in terms of sales, shows, etc.

What I think he never got was the band was already going there anyway. Imagine if they had been able to deliver an album of similar quality to These Days around the Crush/Bounce era instead of essentially aim directly for the American housewife.

I refuse to believe the Jon who worte These Days and Destination Anywhere was unable to write similar work just 3-5 years later. It's the story we all know, he was completely blinded by the success of It's My Life, which while only a modest hit in the U.S. was a bigger song than it's chart position suggested and give the band a way back into the U.S. market. He's been catering to that market ever since.

Aloha !

I don't think Jon was able to write stuff capable of being as good as These Days anymore. The situation in which songs were written was just so very, very different. Destination Anywhere has great stuff on it but also has something else; zeitgeist. These songs wouldn't work just a few years later as most influences on the album were gone about a year later due to the demise of Britpop. Really, half of the album is Jon stealing songs and close to full chord progressions from others. Very much like he'd go on to do on Crush.

Pretty much all songs of the Crush sessions are available and yet no tracklist would live up to the tracklist of These Days. The difference is the production would be similar to the songs he stole from so the similiarities are a lot more obvious. The fact that boybands and pop music were riding that high on the charts meant there wasn't much to steal from, so you'd wind up with songs sounding like Westlife and the Backstreet Boys as opposed to Oasis, Bush and Garbage. It's why Have A Nice Day is just so much better compared to Bounce. Guitar bands had become a thing in the U.S.A. again so Jon could nick things again from influences closer to his heart and not have to follow stuff like Kid Rock, Linkin Park and Creed as he felt he had to do with Bounce. Jon needs to be "influenced" by artists he believes in as opposed to artists others seem to believe in. Yet he measures succes by what's on the charts.

Now even though most 35 year-olds think These Days is Bon Jovi peaking, These Days has fillers and stuff no one rates that high. Something To Believe In is saved by the vocals, without it it's a mediocre song with the same cheesy lyrics appearing on Crush and Bounce as well (If I don't believe in heroin, how can I believe in dope?). If That's What It Takes is filler and would be ripped to shreds would it have appeared on another album. Something For The Pain is their first critisized single not universally liked. This Ain't A Love Song is a great ballad but most agree Always, Bed Of Roses and I'll Be There For You are better. It's just that the overal quality on These Days is a lot better. It was made with the right producer, the right mindset and a vocalist who had no trouble hitting the notes. It's also a testament to Jon's river running dry. But unlike Crush though, there's no really, really mediocre stuff on it.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Ngl I always thought that was 'If I don't believe in Heaven, how can I believe in love'. Always nice to be cleared up lol

Isn't English actually your native language?

This is the answer right here!!!

Take the same songs from Slippery When Wet and have them recreate that album today (create it like it's the first time - not purposely try to mimic it)

The entire album won't be the same album anymore. It would be recorded in a lower key with zero range to match Jon's voice. The vocal tone of the album won't even sound the same. The key change from Prayer wouldn't exist.

The instruments themselves will have no balls. No cool guitar riffs or anything natural. Just Shanks overlapping tracks with a bunch of shit.

And the same goes the other way... I'd love to see what a 1995 Bon Jovi would do with a song like Devils In The Temple or Teardrop To The Sea.

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