New Fan Club Package Updates

I'm on the side that this video shows the whole project is aimed at the type of fan that won't notice when something is ripped from a bootleg 5% of the fan base will recognize, don't get me wrong. But I don't see this video) but how much has he talked about or referenced the Bounce period since 2004? s as turning his back on the past. If anything, he's embracing it (in the shittiest, laziest way, yeah) far more than he usually does. It's certainly said how 2002 forward things have been though. Dying for some recording studio footage.

Yeah, you're right, it is some half-baked effort at embracing the past. For some reason I still see everything post 2000 as new even though it's been over 20 years.

Around the turn of the century, it seemed like Jon was willing to allow fans inside the organization a bit more. We used to get the BJTV stuff that I was lapping up back then. Even project like This Left (which I dislike a lot) was an effort to do something different and, of course, the box set. And yes the terrible live album too.

Yeah, that's a BIG thing of what I loved about Crush and Bounce, the BJTVs! I want to say it's because the label gave more resources but it was clearly Obie behind the camera. Always thought it was it stopped cold turkey for HAND, sporadic for LH and then zip since then.

But half baked is such a good term for what this is. I'm not going to hang them for using footage from the NBC news in 2002 though. I think people will disagree with me but as much as we're fighting for the truly unseen, it's going to be new to a whole lot of people.

It's so weird to romanticize the time of the band having a major label budget, and the Oompas and media exposure. Was it better or is it just because I was a new fan, I have no idea!

Really? The stuff is ripped from Youtube where the "exclusive performance" video nearly has one million views and both videos have been on Youtube for 5 years. I wouldn't even mind them doing the well-known Times Square show, but then again, at least give us some neat quality of it. I'd love to have that Undivided from high quality archive tapes. But paying for stuff that was downloaded from Youtube is iditiotic.
And it seems to follow the same scheme as some live releases in the past: they're only using what had been prepared for some other occasions in the past: San José 2008 was used in snippets for the Maxmouth tour videos, 2003 was broadcasted on QVC, Philly 1993 had been edited for the NFL promo segment back in the day.
If they had at least given us the stuff Jon showed in his teaser clip 7 months ago, just these 3 or 4 shows and nothing else, there'd be much less complaining.

I never expected this to truly be the "magic treasure" with us getting all sorts of unseen material, but so far we haven't gotten one unreleased track and not one concert from the archives (be it audio or video).
They're either really lazy or they don't have all that stuff in their vaults as we had thought previously.

Didn't realize it had over 1 mill, cripes. Yeah in principle the whole thing is....weird at best. They're clearly trying to save a buck not having someone edit it all fancy when I don't think people would care if it was just raw footage. Didn't realize Bounce's shows were from the QVC viewing as well, damn.

I’m really starting to feel this way too. It’s bordering on the obnoxious if they think this is digging deep into the vaults. Maybe the things we were all anticipating just haven’t been archived?

I think this stuff might improve (source video aside for now), if Jon had someone like David Bryan join him once in a while and them then talk about anecdotes connected to songs and performances.
Like them showing some clips (even if not in full) from their first Giants show in '89 and having them remember things around it (guests and what it meant to them). I can imagine it being a lot less serious and also more fun for Jon if he had someone with him every now and then.
They could've easily just sat down with them recently when the band got together for the concert recording that's gonna be shown. Within one hour, you could've recorded enough for four of these to come.
But I guess we're putting more thoughts into this here than the person in charge is doing over there

Regarding it from a whole different perspective that hasn't anything to do with us: Would that release survive a copyright claim? It's hard to believe they asked for permission if it's really ripped of YT.
And regarding it from the fans' point of view: What happens if someone can really prove it's a rip off and asks his money back? A couple of months ago someone around here already mentioned talking to his credit card company because of a fraud for not giving what's been (allegedly) promised.

So if you think about that whole matter and if enough people get serious about it, that can get really ugly for the Experience.

I had been hoping they would've been Obie had claimed to every show from 1995 onwards (and selected ones before that) would've been archived. But someone else had also pointed out that Obie allegedly just likes to say what the fans want to hear in these conversations (though I have the feeling that he'd actually be the only one interested in getting at least some of it out).

Out of the previewed material in the announcement video, the old snippets could well be:
- Nassau 1987 (it almost certainly is - filmed because video shots were used for the NSG video and MTV broadcasted LOAP at their awards show)
- Red Bank 1994 (filmed because the first two songs were included in the Japanese TV special at the time)
- Phoenix 2001 (taking a shot here on whether it's this show, but the first three songs were broadcasted by VH-1 in order to promote the tour start)

Add this to the ones mentioned above and we haven't had a completely "unused" show thus far. But maybe they'll all prove us wrong and still pull something out of the hat!

That's actually an interesting point since I'm not sure they hold the copyrights on what BS1 and NBC had broadcasted (if they did, they at least would have the original tapes).
It had been the case with Wembley Night 3 in 1995 I think. They had decided to film the show on the Thursdays soundcheck and hired a film crew from either the BBC or ABC to shoot it on short notice. It's been said in the past that they can't put out the whole show since the original tapes are in the hands of the TV station that was in charge of recording the concert.