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Let's not forget when cop killings took place... and all the terrorist attacks happened... who's watch were they under???

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Cops have been killed in the line of duty ever since police were formed... That's the risk that comes with the job. What politician is responsible for that?

"All" the terrorist attacks? Are you confusing reality with a television show or something? Or have I missed all these terrorist attacks that have happened in the US the last few years?

Logic and facts... not your thing huh?
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Hey what if we DIDN'T bring up cop killings in a thread about new music?
Problem is if the song is political, then political topics will be relevant in reaction to whatever the lyrics are. That’s why, for me, politics takes the joy out of music. I get enough of that crap from the news and social media.
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Cops have been killed in the line of duty ever since police were formed... That's the risk that comes with the job. What politician is responsible for that?

"All" the terrorist attacks? Are you confusing reality with a television show or something? Or have I missed all these terrorist attacks that have happened in the US the last few years?

Logic and facts... not your thing huh?
I'm not talking about Cops being killed in the line of duty... I'm talk about cops being murdered in cold blood... I guess since Trump took office, all events that happened prior are voided...



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Let's not forget when cop killings took place... and all the terrorist attacks happened... who's watch were they under???

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Now I'm quite aware English isn't my first language and I'm no American either but I'd think that when talking about world devastation in the way Jon supposedly said he's not thinking about things that have gotten better the last 10 years. Such as cop killings and terrorist attacks, which are at an all time low.



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Jon never stated that he wrote an anti-trump song! He said he wrote a song that has to do with world devastation... Typical liberal move right there... Taking one negative and twisting it into a redirection of something else...
TOTALLY!!!

One of the most prominent celebrity liberal supporters, who for the past 15 years has had a tendency to write songs with political context, is about to put out a new song that is titled using the same word as the current president's (whom he openly dislikes) most controversial policy proposal. When speaking about it, he also explained how "it's obvious what the song is about".

Geez, I'm reallly having trouble connecting the dots - can any non-liberal help me here?

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Let me be clear with everyone because I think everyone is forgetting what happened a few years back...

Radicalized Terrorist continued to plot and destroy the US... Obama was so worried about being politically correct, did nothing about it... He'd give speeches that said nothing!!! Nothing... He was the worst president this country ever had... He had zero balls... it's not a black / white thing... Obama was a nice likable guy but just a bad president who got nothing done but continue to destroy out economy...

Second, in regards to cop killings... I'm not talking about cops losing their lives chasing down drug dealers... I'm talking about cops being killed due to the black lives matter movement... Again, all under Obama's watch...

There were also an abundance of school shootings under Obama as well... now I'm not blaming Obama for this but it did happen under his presidency...

There were also a bunch of world devastation that took place as well and continue to take place...

So when Jon said he's writing a song about all the devastation going on in the world, I don't think he's talking about Presidents... I just think he's pulling a Michael Jackson here and writing a Heal The World type song... Although Jon has been political in the past, it's 'Working Man' 'Times Are Tough' type songs... He's never been specific to individual or Political Party...

Right now our economy is doing so amazing, it's pulling record highs...but it's funny how no one talks about that and gives credit where credit is due... Pay attention next time Trump gives a speech, the market skyrockets... and you want to know why... It's because the Conservatives are quiet who are the majority... However the Liberals are the ones making the most noises and crying about Trump... But if you are really paying attention, it's these indicators that are going to get Trump reelected... it's all going to come out during the next election...

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TOTALLY!!!

One of the most prominent celebrity liberal supporters, who for the past 15 years has had a tendency to write songs with political context, is about to put out a new song that is titled using the same word as the current president's (whom he openly dislikes) most controversial policy proposal. When speaking about it, he also explained how "it's obvious what the song is about".

Geez, I'm reallly having trouble connecting the dots - can any non-liberal help me here?


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Kind of silly to debate the theme of a song before we've heard it though.


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Let me be clear with everyone because I think everyone is forgetting what happened a few years back...

Radicalized Terrorist continued to plot and destroy the US... Obama was so worried about being politically correct, did nothing about it... He'd give speeches that said nothing!!! Nothing... He was the worst president this country ever had... He had zero balls... it's not a black / white thing... Obama was a nice likable guy but just a bad president who got nothing done but continue to destroy out economy...

Second, in regards to cop killings... I'm not talking about cops losing their lives chasing down drug dealers... I'm talking about cops being killed due to the black lives matter movement... Again, all under Obama's watch...

There were also an abundance of school shootings under Obama as well... now I'm not blaming Obama for this but it did happen under his presidency...

There were also a bunch of world devastation that took place as well and continue to take place...

So when Jon said he's writing a song about all the devastation going on in the world, I don't think he's talking about Presidents... I just think he's pulling a Michael Jackson here and writing a Heal The World type song... Although Jon has been political in the past, it's 'Working Man' 'Times Are Tough' type songs... He's never been specific to individual or Political Party...

Right now our economy is doing so amazing, it's pulling record highs...but it's funny how no one talks about that and gives credit where credit is due... Pay attention next time Trump gives a speech, the market skyrockets... and you want to know why... It's because the Conservatives are quiet who are the majority... However the Liberals are the ones making the most noises and crying about Trump... But if you are really paying attention, it's these indicators that are going to get Trump reelected... it's all going to come out during the next election...

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Radicalized Terrorist continued to plot and destroy the US... Obama was so worried about being politically correct, did nothing about it... He'd give speeches that said nothing!!! Nothing... He was the worst president this country ever had... He had zero balls... it's not a black / white thing... Obama was a nice likable guy but just a bad president who got nothing done but continue to destroy out economy...
Obama inherited a recession and GDP growth of -4% and changed it to 2-3%. Inherited unemployment in the 10% and when leaving office had a steady decrease up to 5%. Here in Holland we're taught that a growing GDP and a decrease in umployment doesn't destroy an economy. Did your American school system fail you?

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Second, in regards to cop killings... I'm not talking about cops losing their lives chasing down drug dealers... I'm talking about cops being killed due to the black lives matter movement... Again, all under Obama's watch...
Those are included in the stats.

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There were also an abundance of school shootings under Obama as well... now I'm not blaming Obama for this but it did happen under his presidency...
Not just school shootings, there were other shootings as well, like the cop killings, because it's what your country's very famous for nowadays. And they continue to happen under Trump's presidency as well. And unlike Obama who has tried to fight a Republican congress over pretty much anything related to the issue, Trump isn't focussing on it. Instead, he blames mental health, cuts funding for help for mental health issues, and just lets the next one happen because he's quite aware that a lot of his followers voted for him just to be sure they get to keep their guns. You know, those guns that killed your cops. But let's blame it on Obama, right?

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There were also a bunch of world devastation that took place as well and continue to take place...
Yeah, either without influence of the U.S. or exactly because of what Trump is doing. The (small?) nuclear threat of just a week ago I reckon wasn't because of said worst president ever either, and neither were the complaints over your current presidents racist claims, derogatory comments on women and the sh1thole countries comment as well. Because the list is endless nowadays. It's not like your president has been getting the country together now, is it?

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He's never been specific to individual or Political Party...
Which is why he rallied for Gore, Kerry, Obama and Clinton I assume?

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Right now our economy is doing so amazing, it's pulling record highs...but it's funny how no one talks about that and gives credit where credit is due...
A lot of people give credit to the right person, you just don't agree with it because they're not giving Trump credit. Yes, Trump is trying to take credit for himself and his followers subsequently believe it. Yet Trump hasn't changed anything about the market as no new laws and or policies have been brought into effect apart from the tax cut about a month ago. But let's say he has, even then it takes about a year for them to start working. And considering how Trump's not even a year in office the current state of the economy is thanks to what the Obama administration has been trying to achieve. That's just basic economics.

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Pay attention next time Trump gives a speech, the market skyrockets... and you want to know why... It's because the Conservatives are quiet who are the majority... However the Liberals are the ones making the most noises and crying about Trump... But if you are really paying attention, it's these indicators that are going to get Trump reelected... it's all going to come out during the next election...

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I have been "really paying attention", but then again, I understand basic economics and can read a stat about cop killings. Further on, I don't just flat out believe what your president puts on Twitter because by now common sense has lead me to believe that most of his tweets are full of lies. Oh, and while we're at it, compared to your competitors (Japan, U.K., Germany...) your supposed economy growth is at a slower pace since Trump went into office. This means people are investing in other countries, something that started under the Bush administration. But it's probably Obama's fault, right?

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