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Old 10-05-2020, 05:02 PM
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10/10 for me - best Bon Jovi power ballad since "My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms".
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True but Shanks had to fight like hell to get BD to sound like it did. To say "all we've heard from" isn't really accurate, it's more "All that sounds closer to the style he plays". I hear him throughout the new album and here and there on THINFS but he's doing what he's paid to do, serve the song and be in the background.

I absolutely agree about Jon's assessment about Shanks's style of bluesier playing at times. When he's not trying to replicate U2, Pink Floyd and The Killers, a song like Fingerprints is pretty much in Richie's wheelhouse.
Have to disagree...

Shanks is a producer and an amateur guitarist. Fingerprints has a fantastic solo that took Shanks dozens of takes and production to put together. And sorry, he isn’t bluesy and does not play like Sambora at all.

Phil on the other hand IS a guitarist. Again, I’m not a big fan, but I would love to hear him play solos for Bon Jovi in the studio.
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Have to disagree...

Shanks is a producer and an amateur guitarist. Fingerprints has a fantastic solo that took Shanks dozens of takes and production to put together. And sorry, he isn’t bluesy and does not play like Sambora at all.

Phil on the other hand IS a guitarist. Again, I’m not a big fan, but I would love to hear him play solos for Bon Jovi in the studio.
How do you know how many takes and production does it take Shanks to put together that solo?

Phil is the guitarist but what he creates is further from what Bon Jovi sound it. Shanks is kinda good at emulating somebody else's sound.
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Have to disagree...

Shanks is a producer and an amateur guitarist. Fingerprints has a fantastic solo that took Shanks dozens of takes and production to put together. And sorry, he isn’t bluesy and does not play like Sambora at all.

Phil on the other hand IS a guitarist. Again, I’m not a big fan, but I would love to hear him play solos for Bon Jovi in the studio.
Shanks started out as a professional guitar player. To be honest, I was pretty let down by Phil's solo work. It's nice and flashy, sure, but memorable? Hardly so. Not only with regards to Beautiful Drug, but also as far as the THINFS stuff goes.
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Have to disagree...

Shanks is a producer and an amateur guitarist. Fingerprints has a fantastic solo that took Shanks dozens of takes and production to put together. And sorry, he isn’t bluesy and does not play like Sambora at all.

Phil on the other hand IS a guitarist. Again, I’m not a big fan, but I would love to hear him play solos for Bon Jovi in the studio.
So glad to have an insider telling us how many takes the solo got to be done. Thanks for the info, sir
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Shanks is an amateur guitarist? Ahhh no. No. Not by a long shot. If you don't like him or think he doesn't fit with the band's sound and style, more power to ya but the dude has credentials playing guitar regardless. But seriously glad you have the inside scoop on how many takes the solo took.
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To be honest, I was pretty let down by Phil's solo work. It's .....
then you know nothing about guitars
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Shanks is an amateur guitarist? Ahhh no. No. Not by a long shot. If you don't like him or think he doesn't fit with the band's sound and style, more power to ya but the dude has credentials playing guitar regardless. But seriously glad you have the inside scoop on how many takes the solo took.
You’re right...I used the wrong words ��. He’s a professional guitarist, but he isn’t a lead guitarist, nor a decent rhythm guitarist...he’s mediocre, any musician can tell you that, he’d probably even say it himself. I’m not taking a dig...

Regarding the takes, anyone who is a bit studio savvy will say the same. Check out the threads on BB And Fingerprints if you want. Again, it’s a great solo, but patched together...Shanks’ best work. Just listen to Story of Love...it’s a poor (guitar) man’s Fingerprints.

It’s a waste having such a talented guitarist as Phil if you’ll only let him play one flashy solo per album. I even think Jon or John probably told him: ‘make sure you put that flashy bendy thing you did on the THINFS outro on BD’. He has no creative freedom in Bon Jovi and it’s a shame...

Even you guys are trying to make Shanks out to be the new Sambora...he just isn’t.
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Phil shreds the guitar on youtube videos, but honestly, he never fit into the music Jovi, even his live work is vulgar, not remarkable. Phil could be well used if Bon Jovi wants to go for heavy riff songs, then that would be interesting.

I agree that John Shanks is a better guitarist for Bon Jovi, he has the sensibility these songs need. Also, he's a good guitarist (on a creative level), although he's not Richie unfortunately.
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You’re right...I used the wrong words ��. He’s a professional guitarist, but he isn’t a lead guitarist, nor a decent rhythm guitarist...he’s mediocre, any musician can tell you that, he’d probably even say it himself. I’m not taking a dig...

Regarding the takes, anyone who is a bit studio savvy will say the same. Check out the threads on BB And Fingerprints if you want. Again, it’s a great solo, but patched together...Shanks’ best work. Just listen to Story of Love...it’s a poor (guitar) man’s Fingerprints.

It’s a waste having such a talented guitarist as Phil if you’ll only let him play one flashy solo per album. I even think Jon or John probably told him: ‘make sure you put that flashy bendy thing you did on the THINFS outro on BD’. He has no creative freedom in Bon Jovi and it’s a shame...

Even you guys are trying to make Shanks out to be the new Sambora...he just isn’t.
I don't think he'd call himself mediocre, why would he do that....?

The fact that the solo that let Phil be himself caused Jon to say "you need to rerecord" tells you everything you need to know about Phil's place in the band, style wise. Not a single person on this board is trying to make Shanks the new Sambora. No one is, not by a long shot. You're trying to prove something no one is arguing.

Saying Shanks's style is closer to Sambora than Phil's isn't saying it's better or worse or comparable.
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