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Old 10-06-2020, 06:45 AM
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The last time I had a song playing so many times on repeat was in 2000 when I first heard Its My Life. I cant have enough of this chorus ...


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Old 10-06-2020, 07:57 AM
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Let's talk about Blood, what did you think of the solo?
Back on track...the solo is something someone whos been playing the guitar for a year or so (solidly) could come up with.

Its nothing special, just like all the Shanks solos...and its a shame, because Bon Jovi have a fantastic lead guitar player. It doesnt matter that he usually shreds, he could create an emotional Blood in the Water solo...hes a professional lead guitarist, its his job (not Shanks)
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Best track on the album but would benefit from a kick ass solo outro. I was convinced that was coming on first listen, sadly not.
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Old 10-06-2020, 01:17 PM
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A slightly longer guitar solo, and an outro would have been perfect I suppose, but still, it's still great.


This song is his best effort in at least 10 years. Although I still consider Seven Years Gone to be much better, as it feels more original (Not a copy of), has more feeling in both the lyrics and the vocal performance, and has a killer outro.
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then you know nothing about guitars
Wrong, but thanks for playing. I also prefer Gary Moore over somebody like John Petrucci, and somebody like Richie Sambora over Yngwie Malmsteen. I don't give a shit about technical ecstasy, I want memorable leads.

This might also be why Phil works great on live stuff, because then he can fall back on these solos' memorable signature licks and fit them in between his gymnastics. Don't get me wrong, he is technically super solid, seems to be a great guy with superb energy and vibe, but as far as coming up with original solos goes, he is very mid 80s L.A. - something where Richie always separated BJ from the run of the mil bands.

As far as Blood in the Water goes, the solo is solid, but it's mostly just bluesy bends. The style is there, but it's not quite as inspired as BJ's best guitar work. You can hum the Always solo, you can hum the solo from I'd Die For You, you can EASILY sing along to Prayer's solo... but it fits the song for sure. It's a good solo, but not brilliant.
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Wrong, but thanks for playing. I also prefer Gary Moore over somebody like John Petrucci, and somebody like Richie Sambora over Yngwie Malmsteen. I don't give a shit about technical ecstasy, I want memorable leads.

This might also be why Phil works great on live stuff, because then he can fall back on these solos' memorable signature licks and fit them in between his gymnastics. Don't get me wrong, he is technically super solid, seems to be a great guy with superb energy and vibe, but as far as coming up with original solos goes, he is very mid 80s L.A. - something where Richie always separated BJ from the run of the mil bands.

As far as Blood in the Water goes, the solo is solid, but it's mostly just bluesy bends. The style is there, but it's not quite as inspired as BJ's best guitar work. You can hum the Always solo, you can hum the solo from I'd Die For You, you can EASILY sing along to Prayer's solo... but it fits the song for sure. It's a good solo, but not brilliant.
Gary Moore??? Honestly, listen to a Gary Moore song with a basic solo (difficult...I have found my love in you maybe) then listen to Shanks Blood in the Water.

Please, Shanks is not bluesy; its just simple solo playing...I do it all the time lol.

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It's a shame that more people haven't commented on the lyrical content and meaning. Anyway, huge thanks to Symbeline and Superkid for offering their perspective and Ditricha for providing the interview with Jon explaining the references.

I thought the first verse was about the narrator but told in general. However, if you look at it as a bit of prophecy for Trump, it fits better. Better with the context of the second verse which could be narrated by the same person but not towards someone else but from his view as refugee, who came across the border to find a better life and the struggles connected to it.

The third verse continues in the same way as the first one. Telling Trump and his administration what has happened and what's going to happen. So all three verses are one narrator.

The chorus doesn't fit that much because it rather places the narrator in the role of prey than telling Trump what's gonna happen to him.

The bridge makes a twist with the narration. For me, it's obviously someone, maybe even the original narrator, ironically taking a role of a typical Trump's voter a just a troll using today's internet and social network's powers to change things or stir up things.
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A slightly longer guitar solo, and an outro would have been perfect I suppose, but still, it's still great.


This song is his best effort in at least 10 years. Although I still consider Seven Years Gone to be much better, as it feels more original (Not a copy of), has more feeling in both the lyrics and the vocal performance, and has a killer outro.
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Never in my wildest dreams did I think wed get a song of this calibre ever again. Its very easy to make those Dry County comparisons for sure and therein lies some of the beauty and negativity in it.

I love that musically and lyrically Jon has gone to DC as his reference point. Its as if hes recognised the position society is in back then is no better than it is now.

Its been mentioned before but theres just that little something missing in the shape of Richie Sambora that brings it crashing back to earth. I think for me its just knowing its not the band that I fell in love with without Richie, its a different band. Harking back to a song from the good old days only makes it more obvious.

Having said all of this, when I put everything in perspective I know this is up there with the best we can probably expect from Bon Jovi nowadays. Thankfully I find myself in this frame of mind more often.

Thematically, its obviously a dig at POTUS. The opening and third verse very much a fairly threatening warning that his days are numbered. The second verse from the point of view of an immigrant trying to deal with the politics of Trump.

Im still a little unsure about who I is in the bridge. Any thoughts?
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:34 PM
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Im still a little unsure about who I is in the bridge. Any thoughts?
I think Jon criticizes the style of influencing the society, the ability for anyone to shout out their ideas. That by telling it from the first person and listing it all he would show the absurdity.
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