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1 21 21.21%
2 12 12.12%
3 16 16.16%
4 14 14.14%
5 13 13.13%
6 8 8.08%
7 7 7.07%
8 4 4.04%
9 1 1.01%
10 3 3.03%
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:17 PM
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First of all, the people who gave this a 1/10, just don't get how ratings work. And not because the song is much better than that, not at all. For a song to deserve 1/10, it has to be a failure of spectacular proportions. It would mean that they tried something different and it was a disaster. This cannot be a disaster, because they didn't really try anything. You can't call a person stupid if he/she never said a word. Or in sports terms, you can't miss a shot if you didn't take it. And this song feels like dribbling the ball until the time expires.
But trying something would allow any rating to be gauged with the caveat... "but at least".

1/10 does not mean stupid so I am not sure why you even mention that. If there are no redeeming qualities for the listener, why wouldn't it be 1/10? Trying something new and failing would be viewed as a redeeming quality for many people.

Simply from a numerical sense, 5/10 is exactly average. That's fine, you think think the song is average and of middling quality and that's your opinion. Many people think it is well below average and their ratings accurately reflect their opinion.
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:33 PM
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But trying something would allow any rating to be gauged with the caveat... "but at least".



1/10 does not mean stupid so I am not sure why you even mention that. If there are no redeeming qualities for the listener, why wouldn't it be 1/10? Trying something new and failing would be viewed as a redeeming quality for many people.



Simply from a numerical sense, 5/10 is exactly average. That's fine, you think think the song is average and of middling quality and that's your opinion. Many people think it is well below average and their ratings accurately reflect their opinion.

1/10 means it’s one of the worst songs you have ever heard, just like 10/10 would mean one of the best ever. Thus, a rational approach when giving ratings would be not having many extremes on either end and overall have a bell-shape distribution across the 1-10. Because by definition, most things in life are average.

Is Limitless one of the worst songs ever? I don’t think so. Maybe in Bon Jovi’s catalogue, sure, but that’s not the same thing.

If my favorite director released a movie that was his worst ever, but you still would you give it a 1/10 on IMBD even though there are probably way worse movies you have seen in your lifetime? I wouldn’t.

My point is not about opinions on this song, it’s about rating scales and putting things you are evaluating into proper context.

If all these people honestly consider Limitless one of the worst pieces of music ever released and will never listen to it again, then sure, 1/10 makes sense. I am not sure they do though, but maybe I’m wrong.
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:38 PM
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1/10 means it’s one of the worst songs you have ever heard, just like 10/10 would mean one of the best ever. Thus, a rational approach when giving ratings would be not having many extremes on either end and overall have a bell-shape distribution across the 1-10. Because by definition, most things in life are average.

Is Limitless one of the worst songs ever? I don’t think so. Maybe in Bon Jovi’s catalogue, sure, but that’s not the same thing.

If my favorite director released a movie that was his worst ever, but you still would you give it a 1/10 on IMBD even though there are probably way worse movies you have seen in your lifetime? I wouldn’t.

My point is not about opinions on this song, it’s about rating scales and putting things you are evaluating into proper context.

If all these people honestly consider Limitless one of the worst pieces of music ever released and will never listen to it again, then sure, 1/10 makes sense. I am not sure they do though, but maybe I’m wrong.
That's why I went with a 3. For me, it's the worst BJ song they've released. However it's still better than most hip hop or rap that comes out these days (in my opinion)
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Its an achievement ITSELF to be able to write the whole melody (verse + chorus) with almost only four notes: G, Bb, C and D!

I mean come one, besides that melody moves between two F's from the middle C. And that's not uncommon in pop music BUT with this song its PLAIN BORING and DONE ONLY to support mr. Bongiovi's evergrowing limited singing register...

And I dont even miss Sabora back anymore.
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1/10 means it’s one of the worst songs you have ever heard, just like 10/10 would mean one of the best ever. Thus, a rational approach when giving ratings would be not having many extremes on either end and overall have a bell-shape distribution across the 1-10. Because by definition, most things in life are average.

Is Limitless one of the worst songs ever? I don’t think so. Maybe in Bon Jovi’s catalogue, sure, but that’s not the same thing.

If my favorite director released a movie that was his worst ever, but you still would you give it a 1/10 on IMBD even though there are probably way worse movies you have seen in your lifetime? I wouldn’t.

My point is not about opinions on this song, it’s about rating scales and putting things you are evaluating into proper context.

If all these people honestly consider Limitless one of the worst pieces of music ever released and will never listen to it again, then sure, 1/10 makes sense. I am not sure they do though, but maybe I’m wrong.
It doesn't have to be one of the worst songs ever released. I have not listened to every song ever released and I presume neither have you. It does not even need to be in the absolute worst I have ever heard, just within the distribution.

So, it is amongst the bottom 10% of songs I have ever heard. Let's say for arguments sake I have heard 20,000 songs in my life (it could be more or could be less), would I put Limitless in worst 2,000? Yes. As such, 1/10. Edit to add that 10/10 does not have to mean the very best songs, only the top 10%. That could be thousands of songs depending on how many I have listened to.

If I take a song I find little merit in like the Teletubbies song. Yes, I picked a particulalry offensive example. It would also be a 1/10 for me, but at the same time I could argue it is a better song than Limitless. That probably angers a lot of Bon Jovi fans here but whatever.

Will I ever listen to Limitless again? Well, there's no accounting for radio, a live show, etc. However, of my own choice it is likely I will listen to it one more time, when the video is released.

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1/10 means it’s one of the worst songs you have ever heard, just like 10/10 would mean one of the best ever. Thus, a rational approach when giving ratings would be not having many extremes on either end and overall have a bell-shape distribution across the 1-10. Because by definition, most things in life are average.

Is Limitless one of the worst songs ever? I don’t think so. Maybe in Bon Jovi’s catalogue, sure, but that’s not the same thing.

If my favorite director released a movie that was his worst ever, but you still would you give it a 1/10 on IMBD even though there are probably way worse movies you have seen in your lifetime? I wouldn’t.

My point is not about opinions on this song, it’s about rating scales and putting things you are evaluating into proper context.

If all these people honestly consider Limitless one of the worst pieces of music ever released and will never listen to it again, then sure, 1/10 makes sense. I am not sure they do though, but maybe I’m wrong.
It's great that you show is what you've learned in statistics, but have you ever considered that people rate this song in the band's context and by emotion and not rational?
For me, it's the worst they've ever put out in the context of their singles, doesn't contain anything I like or that made me a fan and would embarass me if I had to play it to friends. So it's a 1/10 for me.
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...doesn't contain anything I like or that made me a fan and would embarass me if I had to play it to friends. ...
Well put.
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1/10 means it’s one of the worst songs you have ever heard, just like 10/10 would mean one of the best ever...

My point is not about opinions on this song, it’s about rating scales and putting things you are evaluating into proper context...
That assumes there's only one "proper context" and we know what it is. Nothing was said about what the scale represents, or what 10 means vs. 1.

Is the rating based on a comparison with all the songs you've ever heard, other songs in Bon Jovi's catalog, songs you like or don't like, etc.?

It could be a grading system where "10" ="perfect" and "1" = "missed every mark". But then you'd need to know what standard is being used.

If the scale is how well you like the song, maybe "10" = "I love it", "5" = "it's okay", and "1" = "I hate it".

When the endpoints aren't defined, it's left up to each respondent to determine his or her own points on the scale; and that may have nothing to do with the mental comparison another person used.

Personally, using the last example, I'd give it 4/10.
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If the scale is how well you like the song, maybe "10" = "I love it", "5" = "it's okay", and "1" = "I hate it".
That's how I interpret these things and respond.
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That assumes there's only one "proper context" and we know what it is. Nothing was said about what the scale represents, or what 10 means vs. 1.

Is the rating based on a comparison with all the songs you've ever heard, other songs in Bon Jovi's catalog, songs you like or don't like, etc.?

It could be a grading system where "10" ="perfect" and "1" = "missed every mark". But then you'd need to know what standard is being used.

If the scale is how well you like the song, maybe "10" = "I love it", "5" = "it's okay", and "1" = "I hate it".

When the endpoints aren't defined, it's left up to each respondent to determine his or her own points on the scale; and that may have nothing to do with the mental comparison another person used.

Personally, using the last example, I'd give it 4/10.
I am much more interested in the people who rated it a 10. No matter what context for the grading used, those people are saying Limitless is a very good song. It would be interesting to hear the reasoning why for them it ranks so highly in whatever context.

Because while we wrangle about how we define average to terrible, a 10 is a clear stamp of approval.
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