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Arena shows. Or minimal stadium gigs. They may sell out 1 stadium show in the U.K. But not a chance with multiple ones.


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Arenas. O2 / Nottingham / Leeds / Sheffield/ Liverpool Echo etc...

It's not people being negative, it's disappointing. They weren't No.1 or No.2 with 20k sales, they were No.5. Robbie had > 60k and it wasn't a huge album. More people bought albums by Elvis Presley and Michael Buble - and they weren't even week 1 sales.

Despite the lack of hit singles, Bon Jovi were always supporting by a large core of album buyers and concert goers and they are losing both in this country. It's disappointing moreso because this album is good enough that it deserves better, but the last albums/tour has caused this decline.

Having said that, if the record company cared enough, they could have sorted some promo and got a comfortable #2 behind Robbie if they wanted to.

More bad news- this weeks midweek update has the album dropping to #25. At this rate, it will be lucky to stay in the top 40 by Friday. Just 1 week in the charts for an album.

The sales are low for anyone nowdays (green day's new album went n.1 on billboard with 90.000 and in 4 weeks sold a total of 133.000 copies). I report you a statement by Avenged Sevenfold frontman (a metal band with huge following at least in US) about the first week position and sales of their new album:

Avenged Sevenfold*pulled off the surprise of the year when they released*The Stage*following a spectacular campaign. The album was announced following a 3D, 360 degree virtual reality performance*atop the roof*of the Captiol Records building, the band’s new label home following a split with Warner Bros. Records. The first week sales figures were no match for the band’s two previous records, which many news outlets sensationalized. Singer*M. Shadows*took special note of this and penned a lengthy statement on the band’s*Facebook*page, condemning the clickbait headlines and offered an explanation to the sales numbers with salient points.

Shadows outlined the “false narrative” featured in many headlines that pointed to the 76,000 copies of*The Stage*that were sold in the first week compared to 159,000 (Hail to the King) and 163,000 (Nightmare) and deemed the figures*from*The Stage*as a bit of a*flop. “Actually, 76k records on a surprise release with zero promotion and a single that had been out for 13 days with a running time of 8:30 is a failure. This kind of talk is insane and is the exact sort of narrative that plagues the failing music industry,” said the singer.

“This is the sort of talk that pressures artists to write their songs around ‘what works financially’ and not ‘what they really want to create.’ People want different. People want innovation. People want art. If this wasn’t a huge risk then everybody would be doing it,” Shadows continued. “I haven’t seen the hip hop community or country music community questioning Jeezy or Kenny Chesney about why they didn’t sell more albums and crush a heavy metal band with a surprise release by more than 3k records. Sure, we sold WAY less than*Hail to the King. But we feel this is a different circumstance.”

The frontman pointed out the changing climate of music consumption, which now finds Apple Music with 15 million subscribers and Spotify hovering around 40 million subscribers. “You need 1,500 streams to equal one album. Who has time to stream a song like ‘The Stage’ or ‘Exist’ that many times?



Read More:*M. Shadows Offers Analysis of Avenged Sevenfold Album Sales*| http://loudwire.com/m-shadows-analys...ckback=tsmclip

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But the UK and the US are two VERY DIFFERENT markets for the band. There's no point in comparing the two.

avenged sevenfold released an album out of the blue with no promo so of course week 1 sales were poor.

Havent Jovi sold nearly that in one week in US so thats good.
I just cant believe the decline in UK. 20,000 for a band whose always done well here is terrbile.

I think TC and WAN has cost them a lot of casual fans and even some die hards.
I tried listening to TC today and its crap bar about 3 songs (oddly i preferred WAN by a mile)
My sister is a huge Jovi fan but wont buy new albums and has got rid of anything after Crush. She cant believe the change in music and calls the new stuff dull and bland.
I played her the new one and she was like - OK theres a few good songs here but the rest are forgettable.
If a die hard thinks like that the casual fan must have lost interest years ago. They haven't attracted new fans for years (especially in UK).

I can't (leaving Jon's voice aside) imagine them filling any stadiums in Germany either, not even Olympic Stadium in Munich. The last tours have shown a slow, but definitely steady decline of their German fanbase.

In Europe, except for London show, there's no tv show, poor promotion...they did promo only in the US with good results. For example for "what about now" here in Italy (a marginal market) went to perform on a massive tv show. This time, nothing.

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It's cold out so they have no other choice right now...

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The only way a stadium tour would work for Bon Jovi in Europe now is if all tickets were priced around £30-40. Stadium acts have to work hard to keep the reputation going. U2 build bigger stages, Bruce plays longer shows, what have Bon Jovi done?