This House Is Not For Sale (2016) - Post First Single Release Album Discussion

Actually you said:
I consider WAN as an album, shit. I also consider it as being the last album to be released with Richie as a band member - you can think otherwise, but that's my definition. I'm much happier with BB and the two songs we have from THINFS, than WAN and the GH bonus tracks. That's why I think that post-Sambora BJ is at least comparable to what we were getting in the latter years of Richie's time in the band. You're projecting your own views on the songwriting/recording process and equating good output to Richie's presence. WAN is shit, so it doesn't count as a Richie-era album.

Prior to Richie leaving the band the music was at least as (un)inspiring as what we have now (BB and the THINFS singles).

True we should give em second chances but also let's stop comparing any of their new album with TD SWW or NJ or KTF coz no way they can do it all over again?

And i dunno but i will measure all of these with try to comparing with the new RSO album ( IF THERE IS an album) lol
Let's look THINFS and compare it to RSO album which one the shitty one?Haha i think that will be fair, IF RSO album sucks just like the snipets i heard in youtube so we all know by then who behind the suck musics over the past years..and to be honest i know THINFS and Knockout is none like TD or It's my life but i am cool with that..

and Richie Sambora comeback to Bon Jovi will be a concert of the history according to the neverending drama haha

"don't you let your love turn to hate...Now we gotta KEEP THE FAITH"[/QUOTE]

That's the other extreme mate! You surely can't attribute the horrendous chorus of Army of One, political drivel of the title track, nor the rip-off melody of Beautiful World to RS. And I don't think it's fair to measure the RSO album to THINFS - apples and oranges. Richie is doing his thing, and Jon and the band are doing theirs. I think THINFS can only be compared to previous band releases, and RSO looks to be something largely new - for better or for worse, we are yet to see.

Love what he says about Hillary

I'd like to hear him go off about Donald Trump at least once though.

Well the last two he didn't have a co-write credit but he certainly co-wrote Army Of One. No one can prove who wrote what but there's no way you can say with absolute fact that he didn't have a hand writing that chorus. Richie has written 95% of every song he's released with someone else, why is it so insane to think he co-wrote as much as he's credited for?

What I'm trying to say is that one cannot pin the blame solely on Richie (nor Jon, nor Shanks). Army of One was also written with Child - it's not fair to place the blame entirely on him for how the song turned out. To say that Richie was the reason that the band hasn't been in peak form over the past decade or so, is ludicrous - equally as ludicrous as saying that everything prior to his departure is inherently better than what we have now. That's my point. I just want to help restore a little balance to the argument because things are always either Richie's fault or Jon's fault, etc.. Life's not black and white like that.

Sorry I didn't quite understand what you said about Richie writing 95% of every song? What does that mean, and where did you hear that?

Of course, by no means am I saying blame Richie. Nor am I saying blame Jon or Shanks. I'm saying people act like Richie got too good for the band or was bored. He was in the band, a huge part of it. I'm absolutely not saying it's either of their faults. It was what they created together in the last 15 years that was more mediocre than the earlier material (to me). I get that its Jon's vision and ideals but they still wrote the songs together and are equal parts to blame and champion.

What I meant was 95% of the song's Richie have been involved with have been with a co-writer. Two songs on Stranger in This Town and a song here and there but he....I'm trying to word this so I'm not dumping on the guy....doesn't do much on his own. I think he's honestly lost right now, he was in Jon's shadow for 30 some odd years, did Aftermath with Luke almost a equal partner and now has Orianthi everywhere he goes. I think he's trying to find himself.

Anyway, I got way off topic, I think I may have misinterpreted your original point completely. Looking back at your previous posts here I think we're saying closer to the same thing, my bad!

Yeah I do think we are saying the same thing. I wasn't directing my previous post at you, but more so at the other two who were, I feel, unduly praising and criticising Richie. I was responding to your post as a means to validate my stance on the situation. And it's most likely my wording which caused the confusion - apologies!

Ok that makes perfect sense now, and I agree. I thought you meant that of each song that Richie co-wrote, he contributed 95% of the song and the other writer(s) added in 5% hahaha :')

Anyhow, sorry about the off-topic tangent. Just over a month till THINFS comes out!

Just a thought on the stereotypical Jovi lyrics subject. What can make all the difference, and apologies if this has been brought up, is the music that surrounds it. Case in point, I like Everyday, but I'm not a big fan of Welcome to wherever you are. Same message, same Jon (and maybe Richie), we know the drill, but to me, the guitars, melody etc make the difference.

There's always the chance that once we hear the new album, the p!ss poor sections of the published lyrics don't matter as the song sounds very good. Or the opposite, an over-produced mess makes an average song sound worse.