This House Is Not For Sale (2016) - Post Album Release Discussion

Jeeper · #**1411** 11-12-2016, 06:29 PM

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Tico said he went looking for Tommy Lee after Tommy punched Doc in Moscow.

That's it. He was a formidable man in his heyday.

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JackieBlue · #**1412** 11-12-2016, 06:37 PM

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SZ: You're talking about alcohol...
JBJ: Oh, Richie's had a lot of demons. Our drummer Tico Torres has been sober for 25 years now. I have been anyway. David Bryan has no issues with drugs.

Did not know that Tico used to drink.

I think he went to rehab after the NJ Tour.

Thanks to bonjovi90 for the article!

This is what I found strange:

SZ: Had there already been signs of your sidekick Richie Sambora leaving one day?
JBJ: During the cause of a huge tour six years ago he needed to go to rehab, so we had a replacement guitarist for a number of shows. We were aware of Richie's issues, one day he lost his driver's license, the other he was sleeping on the street. These stories are known

Altough it´s none of our business but this story is not known to me. But I guess it´s just another example of behind the scenes info we know nothing about.

I had never heard anything about Richie sleeping on the streets either. Does anyone else know this story, or know if it was published anywhere? Because Jon said "These stories are known." Known to whom?

What I can't understand is the way Jon carefully avoids actually saying that the reason Richie didn't show up in Calgary (or for the 80-whatever shows after that) is because he was drinking/drugging. He implies it all over the place; but when both Charlie Rose and this interviewer gave him the golden opportunity to just answer the question head-on, Jon swerved to innuendo and implication again. Why?

It surely isn't out of any sense of loyalty or protection of Richie's privacy. Those ideals were gone with the wind the first time Jon brought up rehab and Phil-X in the same breath, and trusted people to connect the dots. And he's been freely giving up a little more detail with each subsequent interview. A straight answer to the question couldn't be any more damaging than all his innuendo and implications.

When Jon said that David wasn't "dealing with same demons as Richie is", the guy attempted to clarify or confirm that Jon was referring to substance abuse, by saying, "You're talking about alcohol..."

So why didn't Jon just answer, "Yes", instead of resorting to "Oh, Richie's had lots of demons", but then dragging it back to alcohol with the comment about Tico to imply that it was the case this time?

He was just as non-responsive to the question about whether there had already been signs of Richie leaving. The question Jon answered was "Had there been signs that Richie had a substance abuse problem?" but that wasn't what the reporter asked. The actual question, however, was one that Jon apparently didn't want to answer, so he deflected instead.

I don't deny that Richie's had alcohol problems in the past or that he could very well be experiencing them again. But the way Jon keeps bringing up rehab and past alcohol-related events, yet consistently hedges instead of giving a concrete answer - even when he's asked directly about it - just convinces me even more, that no matter how problematic Richie's addiction may have been in the past, it is NOT the reason behind this particular cluster****.

Just my $.02...

(Thanks for the transcript, bonjovi90!)

Jeeper · #**1413** 11-12-2016, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I had never heard anything about Richie sleeping on the streets either. Does anyone else know this story, or know if it was published anywhere? Because Jon said "These stories are known." Known to whom?

What I can't understand is the way Jon carefully avoids actually saying that the reason Richie didn't show up in Calgary (or for the 80-whatever shows after that) is because he was drinking/drugging. He implies it all over the place; but when both Charlie Rose and this interviewer gave him the golden opportunity to just answer the question head-on, Jon swerved to innuendo and implication again. Why?

It surely isn't out of any sense of loyalty or protection of Richie's privacy. Those ideals were gone with the wind the first time Jon brought up rehab and Phil-X in the same breath, and trusted people to connect the dots. And he's been freely giving up a little more detail with each subsequent interview. A straight answer to the question couldn't be any more damaging than all his innuendo and implications.

When Jon said that David wasn't "dealing with same demons as Richie is", the guy attempted to clarify or confirm that Jon was referring to substance abuse, by saying, "You're talking about alcohol..."

So why didn't Jon just answer, "Yes", instead of resorting to "Oh, Richie's had lots of demons", but then dragging it back to alcohol with the comment about Tico to imply that it was the case this time?

He was just as non-responsive to the question about whether there had already been signs of Richie leaving. The question Jon answered was "Had there been signs that Richie had a substance abuse problem?" but that wasn't what the reporter asked. The actual question, however, was one that Jon apparently didn't want to answer, so he deflected instead.

I don't deny that Richie's had alcohol problems in the past or that he could very well be experiencing them again. But the way Jon keeps bringing up rehab and past alcohol-related events, yet consistently hedges instead of giving a concrete answer - even when he's asked directly about it - just convinces me even more, that no matter how problematic Richie's addiction may have been in the past, it is NOT the reason behind this particular cluster****.

Just my $.02...

(Thanks for the transcript, bonjovi90!)

I think he doesn't want to read the headline saying HE accused RS of being a drunk. He's tip toeing around it.

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Old Joysey · #**1414** 11-12-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I had never heard anything about Richie sleeping on the streets either. Does anyone else know this story, or know if it was published anywhere? Because Jon said "These stories are known." Known to whom?

Nope, never heard "these stories" before, never heard that he had lost his driver's license, only know about his being charged with two misdemeanor counts of driving under the influence of alcohol in 2008 as reported by Reuters (and then edited and reprinted in many tabloids):
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bo...31007420080422

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What I can't understand is the way Jon carefully avoids actually saying that the reason Richie didn't show up in Calgary (or for the 80-whatever shows after that) is because he was drinking/drugging.

In the Belgian interview (see previous page) he even avoided talking about it at all! He gave David and Tico the signal to answer the question for him @2:49 and none of them mentioned Richie.

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In the Spanish itw in London iirc, Jon said he no longer owned his recording studio in NJ, does anybody know about this? I mean, the studio was built on his property and, as far as we know, he didn't sell it, even though he and his family now live in their new NYC appartment most of the year. So what happened? Did he sell the equipment to get more cash to buy the Buffalo Bills or what?

Eveline · #**1415** 11-12-2016, 07:53 PM

Very weird indeed. Either it's a legal case where you can't just accuse somebody of something without really proving it or it's NOT the only problem, and yet it's a cheap and easy excuse to have an immediate replacement and green light for the next move with the band. My sixth sense is telling me there's more to it than meets the eye...

Old Joysey · #**1416** 11-12-2016, 08:47 PM

and yet another itw from the London press junket session, for Portugal this time:

https://www.facebook.com/m80portugal...2722165776113/

Becky · #**1417** 11-12-2016, 10:03 PM

I imagine he remodeled the building the studio was in for a different purpose since he's not living at that house permanently anymore.

Old Joysey · #**1418** 11-12-2016, 10:15 PM

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SZ: You're talking about alcohol...
JBJ: Oh, Richie's had a lot of demons. Our drummer Tico Torres has been sober for 25 years now. I have been anyway. David Bryan has no issues with drugs.

Just for fun! Since we're doing it for Richie, there's no reason to bury our heads in the sand when it comes to current BJ boys.

Jonny, Jonny, you're not the omniscient narrator! LOL!

Seeshaupt, Germany. 10th May, 2016. dpa EXCLUSIVE - Tico Torres, drummer of Bon Jovi, smiles as he drinks a pint of beer in a beer garden after a presentation of his 'Rock Star Baby' fashion collection at the Lupaco Concept Store in Seeshaupt, Germany, 10 May 2016. Photo: Ursula Dueren/dpa/Alamy Live News

symbeline · #**1419** 11-12-2016, 10:24 PM

It’s true that we don’t really know why Richie didn't show up that day, but I think what most of us only needed closure: will Richie be back? And if not, why? I think it’s safe to assume we know the why now.

And I’ve always liked the theory of Jon convincing Hugh to poison Richie’s dog. It would explain why all of a sudden he’s an official member (somebody should ressucitate that epic 1000+ posts thread to give the lazy journalists some shocking headlines)

symbeline · #**1420** 11-12-2016, 10:36 PM

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From JBJ's last comment in that interview about a halfway working voice, can we tell if he believes he can still sing up to a certain standard or not? I wasn't sure how to take that

I was thinking about this. That's probably why there's been close to zero promo in Europe. They probably don't think it's worth doing it if Jon feels like he won't be able to give his 100% right now. Probably less stressful to deal with some US promo and a few shows to see if he can really improve.

With that in mind (taking into consideration the latest interviews) I think it's wise to take this tour one step at a time. I'm very bummed that Europe seems almost impossible now after all the effort and illusion I've put into saving for it, but I'd rather have Jon get his confidence back and do a stadium tour that both the fans and the band enjoy. I'm sure he knows the 2015 mini tour was atrocious and he's going to be very scrutinized this time.

I'm not very optimistic about seeing a huge improvement vocally wise though. But I'd be more than happy to see a tight band (we already have it) and a frontman that believes in himself and wants to be there. It doesn't seem like Jon is ready for that in a full scale right now.

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