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Adrian, Have you ever visit a country that practice communism or socialism? Or have you read about how terrible it is?

I've heard that you Americans actually consider Sweden to be a communist country. I find this extremely amusing. But then again, if we are communist, I can tell you how great it is over here. Sweden has low criminality, one of the best social systems in the world and we actually build better submarines then you do. And you know what, I have the freedom too say what I want and do what I want (within the limits of the law of course). And yes all this under a government who call themselves social democratic.

I'm pretty sure he has never left his home state. That's the experience he's backing these claims with.

ice

Exactly. That is the question- when DOES an embryo become a child? Does anyone know up to a specific point in the pregnancy?

Here is the thing though- If there was 1 in every 1000 cases of a legal abortion being performed on a unborn child rather than an embryo, wouldn't that still suggest that there is something drastically wrong with an industry that allows that to happen?

The sad thing is, however, that it's such a convenience for people to have it done, that the right of the unborn children murdered through abortions, even if the ratio is 1:10,000, is still forgotten. It's more about the 'rights' of the mother having it done.

Yeah. That is the question. There is no right answer to that. And that's why you shouldn't it agianst or pro abortion. Until there's a consensus on when the ebryo becomes a child, neither side should blame the other.

And doesn't the mother have any rights? What about childern that are severly handicapped and would only live for a few years? What about children that have diseases like HIV?

There is no black & white lines here. I support the mother's decision. Whatever it may be. She decides, it's her body and her child. It's not for you or me to judge.

Ice

I can and I will judge whenever women think too lightly of abortion and see it as some sort of birth control - I've known some women who didn't take birth control very seriously, because they could 'always have an abortion in case of emergency'. I'm sorry, but after having a living human being growing in me, I just can't understand that way of thinking. Maybe these children-to-be are probably better off, since these women seem to be careless and didn't want a baby in the first place, but I could never support this disrespectful attitude towards life.

Well I don't know how a topic about abortion was spawned within a discussion on the death penalty, but personally I believe that the only genuine "excuse" for abortion would be if the mother or child were in danger, not simply because they didn't want it. I know there are other reasons, but it does come down to those two; either there is a danger to the life of the mother and/or child, or the parents simply do not want the child, be it due to the pregnancy being accidental or the child being physically or mentally disabled.

There are people that use abortion wrong, but it's still not anyone's place to judge them without knowing the situation. There are situations where I think abortion is wrong and situations where I think it's justified, but I'm not the one making the decision wheather it's right or wrong. I say it's the mothers decision.

Ice

Of course it's the mother's decision - no one else besides her can make that decision. But that doesn't mean I have to support it.