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Old 02-13-2004, 05:10 AM
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I would never advocate someone owning a gun who didn't feel comfortable with it. Never. However, people who are afraid of guns/don't own guns/see no need for guns/don't know anything about guns shouldn't set gun policy for those of us who own guns. It is the people who own guns that protect the freedoms of those who don't. If you don't feel the need to own a gun, don't buy a gun. Its that simple. Don't come looking to take mine away(well, I don't have one yet, I've got about 7 months to go till I turn buy one after my 18th birthday).

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What they don't tell you is that in the USA they calculate gun murders by adding in suicides and accidents (accidents being a relatively small category though, only about 600 per year, the 2nd lowest category in the USA). My educated guess is that they also added in citizen defensive killings with a firearm and instances where the police used guns to kill someone.

I'll probably have more on this later.

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er...there are other tables for accidents and suicides. this one here is purely on murders...

oh and the site i got this from is an american one :P
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As I pointed out. South Africa is crazy with it's gun crime. How do people fight back and feel safe? they buy guns.

Not an ideal situation but incase you hadn't guessed, asking people who illegally own guns for causing harm to hand them over doesn't work.

It's all about equalisation.
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no, because the equalisation leads to escalation of the problem. one person counters somebody having a gun by buying their own and soon everybody has one or even two.
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no, because the equalisation leads to escalation of the problem. one person counters somebody having a gun by buying their own and soon everybody has one or even two.
as i said. its not an ideal situation but i'm just being a realist. K gun crime is rising here but it's still not too bad, no one really feels the need to carry a gun as protection cept gangsters and people who are trouble.

Now imagine you're in South Africa where gun crime is unbelievably high and common. What do u do? walk around with no protection waiting to ge tmugged raped car jacked or shot just for the sake of it or do you at least give yourself a fighting chance?
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no, because the equalisation leads to escalation of the problem. one person counters somebody having a gun by buying their own and soon everybody has one or even two.
as i said. its not an ideal situation but i'm just being a realist. K gun crime is rising here but it's still not too bad, no one really feels the need to carry a gun as protection cept gangsters and people who are trouble.

Now imagine you're in South Africa where gun crime is unbelievably high and common. What do u do? walk around with no protection waiting to ge tmugged raped car jacked or shot just for the sake of it or do you at least give yourself a fighting chance?
to be honest if somebody shoots you, your reactions aren't going to be quick enough to get to your gun and pull the trigger. if somebody wants to kill you, they will kill you no matter if you carry a gun or not.
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no, because the equalisation leads to escalation of the problem. one person counters somebody having a gun by buying their own and soon everybody has one or even two.
as i said. its not an ideal situation but i'm just being a realist. K gun crime is rising here but it's still not too bad, no one really feels the need to carry a gun as protection cept gangsters and people who are trouble.

Now imagine you're in South Africa where gun crime is unbelievably high and common. What do u do? walk around with no protection waiting to ge tmugged raped car jacked or shot just for the sake of it or do you at least give yourself a fighting chance?
to be honest if somebody shoots you, your reactions aren't going to be quick enough to get to your gun and pull the trigger. if somebody wants to kill you, they will kill you no matter if you carry a gun or not.
you not think its still better to have that option either way? as adrian pointed out. as soon as criminals click on that the public are carryign and prepared to use guns then they get alot more wary and cautious.
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no, because the equalisation leads to escalation of the problem. one person counters somebody having a gun by buying their own and soon everybody has one or even two.
as i said. its not an ideal situation but i'm just being a realist. K gun crime is rising here but it's still not too bad, no one really feels the need to carry a gun as protection cept gangsters and people who are trouble.

Now imagine you're in South Africa where gun crime is unbelievably high and common. What do u do? walk around with no protection waiting to ge tmugged raped car jacked or shot just for the sake of it or do you at least give yourself a fighting chance?
to be honest if somebody shoots you, your reactions aren't going to be quick enough to get to your gun and pull the trigger. if somebody wants to kill you, they will kill you no matter if you carry a gun or not.
you not think its still better to have that option either way? as adrian pointed out. as soon as criminals click on that the public are carryign and prepared to use guns then they get alot more wary and cautious.
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mike, as adrian pointed out. the states which brought in laws to allow people to carry concealed weapons crime rates seriously declined and are lower than states without the laws as a result.

either way it's a personal choice but as soon as cunts start blowing themselves up on our streets or gun crime gets out of hand, i'll be buying and carrying one legal or not.
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mike, as adrian pointed out. the states which brought in laws to allow people to carry concealed weapons crime rates seriously declined and are lower than states without the laws as a result.

either way it's a personal choice but as soon as cunts start blowing themselves up on our streets or gun crime gets out of hand, i'll be buying and carrying one legal or not.
If you look at them selectively. I remember studying the US homicide rate not too long ago & it is 3 times that of the UK. With over half gun related. I'll try to dig up those statistics.

Oh & don't believe everything the Daily Mail says, it isn't street warfare just yet.

The crimes are going to happen anyway, its just that if the recipient could be carrying a gun - then the crimes will be more brutal to ensure they don't use it.

The carrying a gun for the militia (i.e. to defend the country) & using a gun for pre-emptive murder are different things. & what happens if there is civil war.... & everyone has a gun?? Do you remember the Los Angeles riots??
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