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Old 09-15-2006, 01:27 PM
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Whenever anything like this happens its a sad event of course, but fortunately it sounds like he was as much of a bad shot as he was an idiot so there weren't as many fatalaties as there might have been, though not to take away from the fact that one person is dead and other seriously injured. I am rather shocked too to hear that there is a video game based on the Columbine massacre is that really true?

I will say though, not to condone actions like this, but just because people dress in black and are 'different' it doesn't mean we should call the police and such as this person recommends, no more than you'd suspect every young muslim man of being a terrorist or every blonde of being an idiot etc
I think I never said that and if it seemed like that, it is a mistake. English isn't my first language so my expressions could be misunderstood. It's not the first thing it happens. But I'm far of thinking that a different person is a murderer or a terrorist. But i spoke about the words , the signals those peoples write on the internet, when in a text they talk of killing themselves or other people.

This guy wrote that his dream was to kill hundreds of people and to commit suicide after. I just don't understand why anyboy noticed that, even the administrator of the website.
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I think I never said that and if it seemed like that, it is a mistake. English isn't my first language so my expressions could be misunderstood. It's not the first thing it happens. But I'm far of thinking that a different person is a murderer or a terrorist. But i spoke about the words , the signals those peoples write on the internet, when in a text they talk of killing themselves or other people.

This guy wrote that his dream was to kill hundreds of people and to commit suicide after. I just don't understand why anyboy noticed that, even the administrator of the website.
Well there are probably thousands of people who would act like that or write about it but no-one can be there to read every single blog, and if they did they don't have the time to send police to every one of these peoples house just incase they might act upon something. People say a lot of things, but very few act upon them.
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It is indeed a miracle only one persone was killed (a couple of injured people are still in a critical state though)... it all lies in the fact that a couple of policemen were there already for another case and were able to get to the killer quickly.

I don't think that sort of event is predictible. You can check all the bloggers on the internet if you want... there will always be someone crazy enough for such atrocities, whatever their reasons and past.

The question to be asked is not if blogs must be checked, if guns must be more or less legal (the killer had purchased his three guns legally)... the real question is what is it in Montreal's society that can lead to such social hopelessness for the third or fourth time in 20 years. What makes the suicide rate here so high?




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A lot of people will talk bullshit on blogs anyway - I wouldn't take most people who'd talk about committing murders (or whatever they'd be claiming) too seriously, to be honest. It's all about the attention they want to have. I bet most murders and crimes weren't mentioned on blogs or the net beforehand.

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Really? How high is it then?
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to be honest this is just another result of americans stupid law where everyone is allowed a gun!!! it has to be really crazy!!

when was the last time you heard of somethinglike this happening in the uk or ireland!!

time to waken up and ban guns in america!!
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to be honest this is just another result of americans stupid law where everyone is allowed a gun!!! it has to be really crazy!!

when was the last time you heard of somethinglike this happening in the uk or ireland!!

time to waken up and ban guns in america!!
Last time I checked, Montréal was still in Canada.
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lol ooo rite see i knew something didnt quite fit when i worte that lol
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The average suicide rate for Montreal is around 15 suicides a year per 100 000 people. The rate for the Province of Québec is 19, so that makes Montreal look good, but if you compare with other big Canadian cities, it's the highest. Toronto and Vancouver are around 8.

If you look closer in Montreal, social status seems to play a big part, the rate for low incomes is 23, when it's 13 for an average income, 8 for a high one. And incomes in Quebec are lower than in the rest of Canada.
Also the rate is much higher in downtown then it is in the suburbs.
The rate for men is 3.5 times higher than women, the most suicidal ages are 20-24 and 35-55. When it comes to missed suicide attempts, teenagers from 15-19 have the biggest rate.

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to be honest this is just another result of americans stupid law where everyone is allowed a gun!!! it has to be really crazy!!

when was the last time you heard of somethinglike this happening in the uk or ireland!!

time to waken up and ban guns in america!!
Sorry to say that we are not in USA and canadian laws about fireguns are more severe and restrictive but not enough it seems.

Answering to Mr Anderson I continue to think we have the common reponsability to advice when we think that someone looks dangerous on the internet. It doesn't mean to send the police at home but maybe just send an e-mail to some autority, police or others to advice of what we are worried about. Maybe it will not produce nothing but maybe it could save lifes. It's a personnal decision.
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The average suicide rate for Montreal is around 15 suicides a year per 100 000 people. The rate for the Province of Québec is 19, so that makes Montreal look good, but if you compare with other big Canadian cities, it's the highest. Toronto and Vancouver are around 8.

If you look closer in Montreal, social status seems to play a big part, the rate for low incomes is 23, when it's 13 for an average income, 8 for a high one. And incomes in Quebec are lower than in the rest of Canada.
Also the rate is much higher in downtown then it is in the suburbs.
The rate for men is 3.5 times higher than women, the most suicidal ages are 20-24 and 35-55. When it comes to missed suicide attempts, teenagers from 15-19 have the biggest rate.

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That is high. I do wonder how the province of Québec gets such a high rate when the bigger cities are below that. I mean; isn't it more common that most suicides happen in the bigger cities?

I did take a look to our rates and it was around 10 per 100 000. So 8 suicides within the higher income range, is also really high then.
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