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Old 09-05-2008, 05:33 PM
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I see, spunky is a real crusader for the Democratic cause. Comparing the Republicans to the Nazis is outrageous and there are countries where something like this is punishable.
excuse me?

You are either drunk off your ass or have some other serious issues. **** off!
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This is ****ing classic

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Old 09-05-2008, 10:24 PM
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Ouch

I read a good quote in the New York Times today (by Judith Warner)

"Having Sarah Palin put forth as the Republicans’ first female vice presidential candidate is just about as respectful a gesture toward women as was John McCain’s suggestion, last month, that his wife participate in a topless beauty contest." (Judith Warner)
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Old 09-06-2008, 01:59 AM
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and this is bad how?
I have already answered this methinks. Don't get me wrong, I think that is great for them, but we didn't see any significant changes in schooling under Clinton or Bush.

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It's better to dedicate no money to education than to dedicate it to districts you do not personally benefit from?
So my students do not deserve to reap the rewards from more funding because they aren't considered poor? We all know the middle class is struggling just like everyone else, so why shouldn't they benefit from more technology, programs, etc. It has nothing to do with me but everything to do with my students. Again, as I have already stated, I am happy that the poorer districts receive help, but everyone deserves it.

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Doesn't it at all make you uncomfortable that the people you may vote into office are chipping away on your personal rights? What's next?
All politicians chip away at your personal rights. That is part of the job description.

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I find this truly shocking mouse. because you got a big raise (which probably means that you've been underpaid for too many years) you are ok with 4 more years of bushism?
McCain isn't Bush although the Democrats continue to think otherwise. Not all Republicans are alike and not all Democrats are alike obviously. And I haven't been underpaid at all. I am actually quite happy with my salary.

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What about the thousands of lives we've lost for literally nothing? What about the thousands of jobs lost due to the economy. What about the fact that we are lightyears behind alternative energy and the whole world looks at us as living in the stone ages.

Aren't there any issues bigger than the ones that impact us individually?
As for the lives lost, obviously I can't condone that. Literally nothing? I disagree. One simple question, has there been a terrorist attack here since 9/11?

If we are lightyears behind then it isn't all Bush's fault is it? He has been in office for 8 years, which doesn't constitute us being "light years" behind.

Obviously there are issues bigger than the ones that impact us individually, but am I not allowed to speak about my own experiences?

A large group of Democrats at the Republican Convention, protested, jumped all over cop cars, fought with police, and overall were belligerent. Yet, the Republicans are considered extreme.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:58 AM
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As for the lives lost, obviously I can't condone that. Literally nothing? I disagree. One simple question, has there been a terrorist attack here since 9/11?
Mouse, everybody knows that this war had nothing to do with 9/11 or any terrorist threat, the current administration itself admitted it. Plus it's known now that the main islamist terrorist groups are in Pakistan and plot everything from there. It's not Iraq, not even Afghanistan. With the Iraq & Afghanistan wars it's the US and it's allies that are getting weaker everyday, not terrorists.


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Old 09-06-2008, 04:48 AM
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Mouse, everybody knows that this war had nothing to do with 9/11 or any terrorist threat, the current administration itself admitted it. Plus it's known now that the main islamist terrorist groups are in Pakistan and plot everything from there. It's not Iraq, not even Afghanistan. With the Iraq & Afghanistan wars it's the US and it's allies that are getting weaker everyday, not terrorists.


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I know that the war had nothing to do with 9/11 and that is not my point. My point is that there are terror cells in Iraq that our soldiers are fighting and dying for, so I don't think that is in vain. My other point is that somewhere along the way someone is doing something right because there hasn't (knocks wood very hard) been a terrorist attack here since 9/11. Like Bush or not, there is no denying that.

I do agree with you that Pakistan is the problem, and we should have gotten out of Iraq long ago.

In the end both sides are not clean. You have Obama accepting dirty money and Palin accepting dirty money. Obama has flip flopped and great deal and made bad decisions, and McCain has also made bad decisions. As for extremist religion, lets not even get into the church that Obama belonged to and supported until he became a nominee. Then we have McCain who has his own extreme religious views. Both are nothing to write home about. The list could go on forever.

One of my main concerns with Democrats as a whole is their history of taxing and spending. The small business tax that Obama wants to impose on businesses that make over $250,000 scares me. Especially when you have people like my dad, who owns a small business, busting his butt 6 days a week to support our family. With insurance and health care costs, $250,000 isn't that much money. The taxing of people who make more than $250,000 also bothers me, because if you have a family of four, that isn't as much money as it used to be. Neither side is for the middle class, and that is my main concern. If Obama wants to find funding without hitting me up for it, I am all for it, but I can't afford to subsidize funding for the needy out of my own pocket.

I am not going to go into the rest of my reasons because it will go back and forth, rightfully, and I am not here to change anyone's mind, nor do I think that is even possible. I like reading what others have to say, as long as they don't belittle me for stating my beliefs too.

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Old 09-06-2008, 05:30 AM
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My point is that there are terror cells in Iraq that our soldiers are fighting and dying for, so I don't think that is in vain.
These were not there before the US military came in. They are there thanks to powerful islamists lobbies in Pakistan, Iran or Syria to kill US soldiers and Iraqi citizens to ruin the US efforts for a stable regime and peaceful country. US soldiers are fighting something that would not be there if they had never came in the first place.

Something that could be fought more efficiently at much lower costs. How is that not in vain?


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These were not there before the US military came in. They are there thanks to powerful islamists lobbies in Pakistan, Iran or Syria to kill US soldiers and Iraqi citizens to ruin the US efforts for a stable regime and peaceful country. US soldiers are fighting something that would not be there if they had never came in the first place.

Something that could be fought more efficiently at much lower costs. How is that not in vain?


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we;re fighting them over there so we don't need to fight them over here :facepalm:

one of my mates from uni spent a year in the U of NC as part of his degree and said for the modern political thought and IR classes you got bombarded with realist theory and nothing else so it was no wonder the guys running the country were warmongers. quite scary and shameful when you think about it.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:40 PM
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holy **** it turns out that sarah palin is an book of revelations literalist that thinks alaska has been destined by god to take some part in the end of days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE...2091829&page=2

it's like feckin manifest destiny mkII, how a clown like this is even allowed within a mile of the whitehouse never mind quite possibly running the thing down the line is half mind boggling half terrifying.
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That's the same sect as John Ashcroft, former Attorney General in the GW Bush administration and involved in many controversies.

Way to go America!


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