2008 US Election

Of course. But it's your job as a citizen to not only "swallow" the info from your favourite media but also and most of all to cross-check the info on other sources.


Ponrauil

as i said, a left wing site pointing out voting records and comments to back up their claims of what mccain is like is a bit more subtantive than claiming obama is a muslim because this or that reason, obama hates america because he didn't wear a badge, obama this, obama that.

Wait a minute...

So you're saying that all these sites where this info is drawn from, ABC News, CNN, the Boston Globe etc all are biased towards the left?

As I see it, Moveon.org are only reporting what these sites have already.

only difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull is the lipstick.... Palin

If u put lipstick on a pig its still a pig...... Obama and McCain..

LOL - lipstick is being given a rough ride !!!!!!!!!!

Dawn

Moveon.org is lefty propaganda at its worst. They will put the spin on any information to make the Republicans look bad. Like I said, Fox does the same. You can't possibly think that the Republicans are the only ones who possess news stations (Fox) that favor them. It is an equal opportunity playing field.

I have never even seen that information on Obama before, but then again I don't sit in front of Fox all day either. It isn't limited to "Obama hates America" nonsense either. There is just as much information out there questioning his politics as there is on McCain.

But of course people are going to favor information that paints their choice in a wonderful light. That is just human nature. As for cross-checking, I totally agree, but it isn't a one way street. You need to do it on both sides to determine the truth.

and yet here we're discussing mccain's shall we say ever so right wing leanings again....

the "maverick" is nothing more than a shill for the gop. i'm actually half convinced his "we're going to run the scoundrels out of washington" angle is really just some huge sociological experiment to see how gullible the average american is.

once again, and i say this with every ounce of sincerity in my body (as a former total true blue thatcherite that kathleen amongst others will confirm if you don't remember yourself) after close to 10 years of an absolute joke of an administration why are the replublicans even in the running for this election?

forget your partisan bullshit, forget obama this or mccain that, LOOK at the party that has been running the show for the last 8 years, the party that has been running the greatest nation on earth into the ground for 10 years and give me ONE and only one good reason why anyone in their right mind with an objective head and heart would vote for these conmen, there crooks, these liars, deceptors and deviants?....

it really does not compute on this side of the pond how you could give a party who has ****ed up time and time again, mislead time and time again and outright lied time and time again another 4 years of running the show just because the man in charge has a pair of tits as his second in command and tells everyone he's a maverick, he's different and he's going to get rid of the scum in washington.

And Bill Clinton's presidency isn't tarnished with any of the above? C'mon, it doesn't matter who is at the helm, the end result will still be the same.

that's what is commonly known as projection.

clintons incumbent started a ****ing deceptive unjust war (also something i was 100% for at the time) that has led to the death of AT LEAST tens of thousands of people including several thousand US and british soldiers amongst other things.

he's ran the strongest economy in the world into the ground

he;s made the US the laughing stock of the world

he's needlessly (and intentionally might i add) started confrontations with russia and iran

amongst other things

but clinton got a blow job so yeah **** the democrats they suck.

Well - I gotta say Jim - it just goes to show that an education wasn't wasted on you. Yes - you believed all those things a few years ago - and you either learned better or saw better by demonstration of living conditions.

Unfortunately, the poeple I know well, (like my husband's parents - one of whom is from Wisconsin) will even vote against their own self interest - and self preservation. My father-in law is an ex LA cop who has a government pension (a very nice pension mind you) and he votes against everything union or big government (he is still a member of the Police credit union - oh that's different he says). He votes against any tax increase for schools - after all his kids are grown - he doesn't need to support education. And he votes pro-war all the time - even though he had 2 sons who could have been killed in the Vietnam conflict - and he now has grandsons who could be killed in Iraq.

And why does he do this? The Republicans are the religious party and the Democrats are anti-god. He is pro-life (aren't we all) unless it comes to the war - that he always votes for.

He doesn't care that he has two grand-daughters who will be affected by his pro-life (anti choice) vote. He doesn't care that the next president will most likely have 3 supreme court justices to appoint - and then Roe vs Wade will most likely disappear.

His wife - my mother-in-law - votes the same way he does. Isn't that what a woman is supposed to do?

Aaaargh!!!! - I don't think I have ever felt so pessimistic about the future of my country as I do now.

Bush didn't run the economy into the ground on his own. Nobody forced banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. People took advantage of the interest rates by going with the arm option and purchasing homes way beyond what they could afford. Once the rates went up, things went downhill fast. Not to mention that it was the mostly Democratic Congress who passed that people could buy homes with no money down.



Now you and I both know the Clinton's had their own share of corruption in the White House way beyond the entire Monica nonsense.

See below:
http://www.io.com/~cjburke/clinton/clinatoz.html