2008 US Election

JBJEveryday: Rev. Wright has history to back up his claims you say? Like the claims that the US government is giving drugs to black people to keep them in poverty, or that they are responsible for the 9/11 attacks? What do you know that I don't, and where can I go to learn these facts?

Adrian

Adrian,

In my previous post, I was talking about the "anti-white" comments made by Obama's former church in the past. I am not one of those white people that believe that blacks are always looking for "handouts" or for a way to buck the system. I try my best to view everyone equally regardless of race, sexual orientation etc. This is why I have a problem with anyone claiming that the "power of prayer" can turn homosexuals into heterosexuals or that this awful war has been "God's will."

If you wish to compare that to Obama's church's stance on black people in poverty, go ahead but in my opinion, you're comparing apples and oranges.

About how the US government would do anything to control drugs and oil... you could start here:




Ponrauil

There's a difference between crazy praying for gays and saying that we were responsible for and deserved 9/11.

No, I'm not comparing, I'm pointing out the cognitive dissonance in the belief that Obama's church can say the most vile shit imaginable and it's ok, and Palin's church can say some wacked out stuff and it's the apocalypse.

Ponrauil:There's a difference between CIA agents dealing drugs as part of an investigation (or doing so illegally) and saying the federal government has been dealing drugs as part of a decades long conspiracy to keep black people in poverty.

Adrian

You're right, there's a huge different between doing and saying. And I hope you see that difference as clearly as I do.

And it's not just drug dealing, it's drug dealing control. And on the long run it concerns a much broader population than just black people.



Ponrauil

Time to fight fire with fire. Here are some wacky pseudo-religious quotes from leading Democrats! I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's expressions of true horror and condemnation.
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"I cried all night. I'm going to be crying for the next four years," he said. "What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation's political history. ... The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance."

-- Jesse Jackson Jr.

‘‘A leader God has blessed us with at this time.’’

-- Nancy Pelosi

He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.

-- Michelle Obama

"Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor."

-- Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn)

"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"

-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama

"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"

-- Daily Kos

"He communicates God-like energy..."

-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"

-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."

-- Halle Berry

"A quantum leap in American consciousness"

-- Deepak Chopra

"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart

"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."

-- Eve Konstantine

"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews

"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."

-- Toni Morrison

"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."

-- Ezra Klein

"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."

-- Gerald Campbell

"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."

-- Oprah Winfrey

“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."

-- Bill Rush

Adrian

Adrian, although most of these quotes are indeed laughable (you might have noticed that a few of them are not even close to being God related), they are praising a man and/or a situation and hopeful. They are not, unlike the religious right wing, discriminating anyone, they are not trying to scare or exclude anyone.

That might explain why one side comes across to many as more open-minded, therefore less dangerous, than the other.


Ponrauil

Thank you Ponrauil. I couldn't have said it better myself. This is my personal favorite.

He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.

-- Michelle Obama

Granted, it is from his wife but I'm confused how this is negative or how it could possibly be used as a slight aganist Obama.

There's a difference between crazy praying for gays and saying that we were responsible for and deserved 9/11

There is? One is saying that being gay is WRONG and anyone that is better change otherwise they are going to hell. This belief looks to be shared by a church that Palin is a CURRENT member of. The "we deserved 9/11" quote, which I believe I first heard back in late 2001/early 2002 when it was said by Pat Robertson, yet another crazy religious moron who also believed being gay was WRONG, was said by the pastor of Obama's FORMER Church. I hope you see the difference in these two.

I have yet to see any elected official who has strong religious beliefs, no matter what religion they may be, being able to keep those personal beliefs out of office. Bush is a perfect example of this when he vetoed a stem cell research bill TWICE on the grounds of morallity. Having strong beliefs in any religion is fine. I could care less what these people believe on a personal level. It's when they want to govern the whole country by those beliefs, I have a problem.

I haven't read the thread so I apologise in advance if this has already been said...

I was told by someone in my class today that apparently a few people tried to murder Obama a week ago or summit? Sounds like some sorta media crap to me, you guys heard about it?