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Old 10-16-2008, 06:37 AM
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What I don't understand is that Americans still have their doubts on who to vote for.
I mean, come on, a 72 year old guy (how can he have a fresh look on life with that age) and when he dies or can't be president anymore the even more crap Palin will become president. Voting for McCain will be a major downgrade.

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Old 10-16-2008, 01:17 PM
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And Obama will be worse.
Why? You don't state facts to backup your argument. I'd also like to respond to your comment from a different thread:

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And we have all done so well the past 8 years.....?
The Republicans are historically the party of fiscal responsibilty in business. What just happened with the banks? Who was in power?
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It was the dems in the Congress controlling the votes. Barney Franks,Chris Dodd, Pelosi, Reid, They created this mess along with corrupt CEO's.
The first 6 of the past 8 years (and 2 years previously for a total of eight) BOTH houses of congress (the Senate and the House of Representatives) have had a Republican majority.

This links to all the US Congresses in history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tes_Congresses

106th Congress Jan 1999 - Jan 2001 (last 2 years of Clinton's Presidency) Both houses have Republican majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/106th_U...tates_Congress

107th Congress Jan 2001 - Jan 2003 Both houses have Republican majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/107th_U...tates_Congress

108th Congress Jan 2003 - Jan 2005 Both Houses have Republican majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108th_U...tates_Congress

109th Congress Jan 2005 - Jan 2007 Both Houses have Republican majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_U...tates_Congress

110th Congress Jan 2007 - Jan 2009 (in progress) Both houses have Democratic majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_U...tates_Congress

God knows there is enough blame to go around but I am a stickler for trying to get the facts straight rather than an emotional response.
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:27 PM
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And Obama will be worse.
I am sorry mate. But are you blind?
You ever saw an interview with Sarah Palin? You will laugh your ass off. Especially when she gets questions about foreign politics.

McCain and Palin are just Laurel and Hardy to me. They bring excitement in the campaign and still I pity the people who still would vote for a McCain, vote for another replubican. You must be either blind or not willing to see the truth.

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Old 10-16-2008, 06:11 PM
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Well yesterday was the closest thing to a debate we've seen so far. Except for the childish part about who had been the meanest to the other.

But the result is the same imo, McCain didn't manage to make Obama look bad, and even less to make his plans look good. And the TV format is tough on McCain, really tough. He looked old and grumpy when Obama was calm and brushed every single attack with a clear explanation.


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Old 10-17-2008, 12:26 AM
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Why? You don't state facts to backup your argument. I'd also like to respond to your comment from a different thread:



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The first 6 of the past 8 years (and 2 years previously for a total of eight) BOTH houses of congress (the Senate and the House of Representatives) have had a Republican majority.

This links to all the US Congresses in history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tes_Congresses

106th Congress Jan 1999 - Jan 2001 (last 2 years of Clinton's Presidency) Both houses have Republican majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/106th_U...tates_Congress

107th Congress Jan 2001 - Jan 2003 Both houses have Republican majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/107th_U...tates_Congress

108th Congress Jan 2003 - Jan 2005 Both Houses have Republican majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108th_U...tates_Congress

109th Congress Jan 2005 - Jan 2007 Both Houses have Republican majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_U...tates_Congress

110th Congress Jan 2007 - Jan 2009 (in progress) Both houses have Democratic majority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_U...tates_Congress

God knows there is enough blame to go around but I am a stickler for trying to get the facts straight rather than an emotional response.
Well, I didn't want to get into a whole big thing, but Obama might be a nice person. I just don't agree with his philosophies. I don't want my taxes raised through the roof, we're being killed by our taxes. I want all the spending stopped especially all the pork barrel crap. If I don't have the money to pay for something, I don't buy it. I wish they would balance their checkbook like I do, but they don't. They just spend,spend,spend. The other thing is I don't care for the people he associates himself with. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Another saying, birds of a feather, flock together. I also don't think he has enough experience to be president. He wasn't even a senator very l ong. The economy crap going on I feel is the fault of the people I mentioned above. In 2005, the repubs wanted Fannie and Freddie checked and audited. the Dems said everything was fine and voted no. Then when they got in power, all hell broke loose. They told banks to give mortgages out without even downpayments or jobs, or money saved etc. Franks,Reid, Pelosi,Dodd and all these corrupt CEo's created the mess we have today. There's plenty blame to go around, but these are the worst. That's just my opinion,Which we have the right to have. I don't like the direction left liberals have toward socialism.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:37 AM
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Well, I didn't want to get into a whole big thing, but Obama might be a nice person. I just don't agree with his philosophies. I don't want my taxes raised through the roof, we're being killed by our taxes. I want all the spending stopped especially all the pork barrel crap. If I don't have the money to pay for something, I don't buy it. I wish they would balance their checkbook like I do, but they don't. They just spend,spend,spend. The other thing is I don't care for the people he associates himself with. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Another saying, birds of a feather, flock together. I also don't think he has enough experience to be president. He wasn't even a senator very l ong. The economy crap going on I feel is the fault of the people I mentioned above. In 2005, the repubs wanted Fannie and Freddie checked and audited. the Dems said everything was fine and voted no. Then when they got in power, all hell broke loose. They told banks to give mortgages out without even downpayments or jobs, or money saved etc. Franks,Reid, Pelosi,Dodd and all these corrupt CEo's created the mess we have today. There's plenty blame to go around, but these are the worst. That's just my opinion,Which we have the right to have. I don't like the direction left liberals have toward socialism.
Obama is only raising taxes to people that make over 250,000 a year. So 95% of america will not see an increase in taxes. You know Mccain kept saying last night that obama wants to raise taxes, but obama wants to raise the taxes on the fiflthy rich, come on they could afford to pay higher taxes. Obama mentions names like Warren Buffet, these people can afford to pay higher taxes, it's not going to put a hole in their pockets. It is simply greed for those rich people that don't want to pay higher taxes. The ones that support Obama raising taxes and that are also rich know that they can afford to pay the taxes and don't mind it names like JBJ, Bruce etc......
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I heard and saw that replubicans already made bumperstickers with 'Paling, VP in 2012'.
they are starting to think 'Let Obama be president to clean up the mess then we come back when all shit it sorted for us'
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:49 AM
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Well, I didn't want to get into a whole big thing, but Obama might be a nice person. I just don't agree with his philosophies. I don't want my taxes raised through the roof, we're being killed by our taxes. I want all the spending stopped especially all the pork barrel crap. If I don't have the money to pay for something, I don't buy it. I wish they would balance their checkbook like I do, but they don't. They just spend,spend,spend. The other thing is I don't care for the people he associates himself with. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Another saying, birds of a feather, flock together. I also don't think he has enough experience to be president. He wasn't even a senator very l ong. The economy crap going on I feel is the fault of the people I mentioned above. In 2005, the repubs wanted Fannie and Freddie checked and audited. the Dems said everything was fine and voted no. Then when they got in power, all hell broke loose. They told banks to give mortgages out without even downpayments or jobs, or money saved etc. Franks,Reid, Pelosi,Dodd and all these corrupt CEo's created the mess we have today. There's plenty blame to go around, but these are the worst. That's just my opinion,Which we have the right to have. I don't like the direction left liberals have toward socialism.
Is this like some sort of performance art piece?
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:53 AM
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Obama is only raising taxes to people that make over 250,000 a year. So 95% of america will not see an increase in taxes. You know Mccain kept saying last night that obama wants to raise taxes, but obama wants to raise the taxes on the fiflthy rich, come on they could afford to pay higher taxes. Obama mentions names like Warren Buffet, these people can afford to pay higher taxes, it's not going to put a hole in their pockets. It is simply greed for those rich people that don't want to pay higher taxes. The ones that support Obama raising taxes and that are also rich know that they can afford to pay the taxes and don't mind it names like JBJ, Bruce etc......
oh shit i see the "don't have a clue wtf a socialist is" crowd have discovered jovitalk.

i feared the day this would happen.
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