2008 US Election

What does a vote for McCain mean at this stage Oh Knowing One?

A vote for a "lesser evil" as you have put it so many times is just a vote made in fear. If that's your idea of doing the right thing so be it, but no forward progress has ever been made in fear.

I'm tired of all your "BHO" posts like you just find yourself so smart. You are 22 years old and I'm sure you'll notice in some time that you do NOT know how everything works like you pretend you do. Your remarks here in this thread have only shown others exactly what they DON'T want in office and why so many are quick to write off Americans as close-minded "I'm better than you" bigots.

Yes, McCain is the "lesser evil." On the other hand, his party squares with my beliefs a lot better than BHO's. What, I should vote for "change" I don't believe in just because it's a different party? How much sense would that make?

You're tired of all my BHO posts? Tough. There's another amendment in place in this country that I'm extremely fond of - the First. If you don't like it, there are plenty of places that lack it.

You really should play "you'll learn in time, you young whippersnapper" card when you're MORE than 3 years older than me. Comes across much more convincing at about 10 or 20 years older. Just a suggestion. As if age invalidates free speech. Would you be saying that to a BHO supporter? I think not.

As far as your veiled insinuation that I'm a closed-minded bigot, go digging around in the first few pages of this forum. I've blasted the Republican party on many an occasion. I am closed-minded: To big, unconstitutional government from EITHER party.

And I'm not a bigot, I'd be voting for Condi if she were the nominee. If the Rs would run James Earl Jones, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat (from what I've heard about him).

Adrian

He never said you shouldn't be allowed speak your mind, did he?

Maybe you should read the amendment again to see that it also allows him to say he's tired of your posts and the tone you use.


Ponrauil

I don't agree with McCain on several issues, doesn't mean I'm going to go around disrespecting him every chance I get. That's the difference. I'd be aganist anyone making such personal atacks on McCain as well. As a 72 year old white man with a "regular" middle name and heritage, he doesn't seem to be such an easy target however. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees how smug and self-righteous you come off in your posts.

I never said that you should vote for Obama. I merely said that a vote should never be cast out of fear. For a person that believes he understands the constitution so well, I'd assume you'd be able to understand the meaning behind a post on a message board.

I have mentioned this before myself. Over the past 18 months (to 2 years) of this campaign I have received hundreds of e-mails spouting filth about Obama (and before Obama, Hilary Clinton).

In all that time I have have never seen that kind of hate e-mail about McCain. I receive e-mail about not voting for him, but that is accompanied by reasoned arguments that you may or may not agree with. No one has ever suggested that I would be an idiot if I voted for McCain. Nor have they said that our entire country will be ruined if he gets elected.

The Republicans have spread hate far and wide during this election. I found this quote in the news today and it summarizes my feelings about this election and the behavior of the two parties.
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Instead, the Republican party that’s left after the election, will be the party that attends Sarah Palin’s rallies, where crowds chant “Vote McCain, not Hussein!” It will be the party of Saxby Chambliss, the senator from Georgia, who, observing large-scale early voting by African-Americans, warns his supporters that “the other folks are voting.” It will be the party that harbors menacing fantasies about Barack Obama’s Marxist — or was that Islamic? — roots.

Entire article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/03/op...rugman.html?em

good post kathleen. this election is an anomaly in that a black man is quite possibly going to become the most powerful person in the country but on the other hand it's led to alot of simmering racism being brought to the surface as a result which had been kept under wraps until now.

Even before that this still flabbergasts me:

Most of the people if not everyone agrees the last eight years have been a total disaster. McCain supported 90% of what Bush did. He has shown nothing of what he plans to do in Iraq or Afghanistan that could be different from Bush. Same about the economy. He, and he ALONE, also appointed as VP, and therefore potential first in command, someone with no experience or knowledge or support in her own party. Yet McCain is still better than Obama for some because Obama... might raise taxes even if he plans to actually cut them.

How does that process?

The same people put Bush & Clinton on the same level of dishonesty when Clinton lied about getting a blowjob and Bush lied to declare a war.

Relativity anyone?


Ponrauil

Didn't McCain vote for Bush' bail out package?

Whatever your fundamental belief's the fact that the last president carrying out those beliefs now has a 20% approval rating says quite a lot. And I think voting for a belief is not always the right thing to do, especially when McCain agreed with him 90% of the time.

BHO is going to reduce taxes for the people that need it to help stimulate the economy and give people that bit more comfort. He is not reducing it only for people that sit at home and is proposing to make it easier for those that work hard. Those above £250k already have an expontential earning potential.

John McCain supported the war in Iraq who's costs are quoted at $1trillion. Wastfeul spending?. Despite all of his supposed foreign policy experience he made a fundamentally bad decision which the laymen sitting at home could see from a mile off.

BHO is looking to invest in the energy sector that will create jobs. McCain wants to drill in Alaska which means the publicly owned land will result in companies paying that money back to Alaskans (i.e. Socialism).

If it is broken, fix it. Don't carry on with the same tried and tested and ultimately unsuccessful policies.

And the wish that BHO gets in and screws the country up (as per Adrian) seems somewhat a wish for their beliefs to be right as opposed to support for your country.

The Republicans have become a far right joke of a party. The McCain of two years ago before he sold out to Bush would have been a far better prospect. He flip flops, has no substance in his policies and is relying on the fear of 'Liberals', 'Socialism' and change in order to achieve the top job.

And one final thing - McCain bankrupted his presidential nomination campaign. Obama has run a hugely successful compaign (McCain's has been poor). This tells you a lot about their leadership style.

Oh, and I didnt even mention Sarah Palin.

Thanks Mike. For as pro-American as Adrian claims he is, comments like this show he either has no idea what that means or he really is just concerned with himself and not others.

I absolutely agree with you. He should voice his opinions whenever he wants. I'm not going to stop voicing mine just because he's "tired" of me.

You're right, I was wrong. My first wish is that he's going to return our nation to Constitutional Republic it was founded to be, with the small government guaranteed to us in our highest law. Failing that, I hope people get fed up with him. Which do you think is more likely to happen?

Adrian