o don't know anything about either VP candidate but it was funny to see the neocons on th epolitics forum i post running biden down rotten until someone pointed out that their big gripe with obama was his lack of experience now they were moaning about him picking someone with experience.

someone also pointed out that going by mccains own opinions on what the US military gets upto with PoWs, he was never "tortured" so he should stfu about nam