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Originally Posted by DevilsSon
Kathleen, I don't mean to discredit your opinions or anything but you seemed very fond of the...hmm...let me euphemistically call it anti-republican hillbilly metaphor story which ponrauil posted. That one is nothing else but a brainwashing tool, just as the article we are discussing. Disagreeing with this but praising the other one seems to me hypocritical. And I am sorry if this sounds harsh, it's not meant to be an insult or anything.
As far as politics in general are concerned, I wish that the European Union got more attention from the media. It's such a difference from conventional election campaigns bullshit that we are fed with, not only in the US but I bet that In all of our countries (albeit, not to the same extent). As somebody who is fascinated by the idea of the "homo politicus", this is the first time that I am genuinely disgusted by politics, by how politicians act, and especially by how their followers think. It's a shame really.
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I hear what you are saying (and I don't get insulted easily). However, and in my mind it's a great big difference, what is contained in ponrauil's essay is fact. It's definitely slanted in one direction, no doubt about it, but the facts are (I'll say mostly) verifiable. All of those things in that essay were fought for by the Democratic party and would not likely be in place otherwise. Does it leave out a lot - certainly.
On the other hand, the innuendo and whispering campaign that has gone on about Obama, coupled with the outright lies that seem to have become set in stone absolutely disgusts me. I can respect your right to vote for whomever you please (and I do) but please if you are going to try to defend your position don't use lies (or half truths) to do it.
To be perfectly frank I have received an enormous amount of negative, unfactual e-mail about Obama. With all the leftist leaning Democratic friends that I have I have NEVER received a negative, lying e-mail about McCain in this election. What I do get is positive stuff about the democrats NOT negative stuff about the other candidate or the republicans.
I have yet to see a positive ad saying what McCain will do that is different from the last 8 years. Give me a convincing argument to vote for him and I will at least read it and check out the facts. But if you keep telling me how Obama is a muslim, a terrorist, a socialist etc and you mention his plans to sell this country to Iran, and how could he really afford that education, I won't pay much attention.
So in conclusion, while I appreciated ponrauil's essay, it was in no way an unfactual, negative diatribe about "the other side". What it did do was highlight why one side might be better NOT why the other side is worse.
And to address your second comment - there is an article in the New York Times today about Europe here (entitled Suddenly Europe Looks Pretty Smart):
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/we...=1&oref=slogin
If you can't read it I'll be happy to copy and paste it for you.