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Old 05-25-2004, 01:04 AM
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Oh, it's quite simple really... Bush is evil, while Blair is simply stupid.

:P That's how it works, right?
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Oh, it's quite simple really... Bush is evil, while Blair is simply stupid.

:P That's how it works, right?
LOL..fair enough answer.
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If it solves the problem, then of course I think it's good if UN goes there. I just think they should've been the ones to initiate it in the first place. Maybe UN will be sensible and kick Americans out of Iraq
Ah, yes. The UN. And in light of the scandal involving the UN, Saddam, and the Iraqis who suffered the most under the UN, bringing them in will definitely solve the problem. Maybe it will, if France and Russia have no involvement what so ever.
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I think the point is that US made the mess without UN, and they should clean it without UN.
I understand what was meant but my question would remain the same. Would you deny the help of the UN to the people of Iraq in order for the US to "pay" for what has happened there?

I really didn't mean to get into a debate with it. It really was just a simple question based on your statement. And the reason I ask is because Mike, and you already know how he feels, thinks the UN getting involved with Iraq would be a good thing. I was just curious to see how others felt.
I think that UN should RUN the operation rebuilding Iraq, but US should pay for it. That way, the country *might* gain some advantage and most of all, US would not have a direct say about it. My opinion still is that US should pay for it, to the last dime that it takes. No matter what, after all that's been going on I would find it hard to believe that people in Iraq would trust US. Dunno how they relate to UN tho....

Back to your question....If it was that US leaves it to UN to pay for cleaning it up, I would rather see UN staying out of it.
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I think the point is that US made the mess without UN, and they should clean it without UN.
I understand what was meant but my question would remain the same. Would you deny the help of the UN to the people of Iraq in order for the US to "pay" for what has happened there?

I really didn't mean to get into a debate with it. It really was just a simple question based on your statement. And the reason I ask is because Mike, and you already know how he feels, thinks the UN getting involved with Iraq would be a good thing. I was just curious to see how others felt.
I think that UN should RUN the operation rebuilding Iraq, but US should pay for it. That way, the country *might* gain some advantage and most of all, US would not have a direct say about it. My opinion still is that US should pay for it, to the last dime that it takes. No matter what, after all that's been going on I would find it hard to believe that people in Iraq would trust US. Dunno how they relate to UN tho....

Back to your question....If it was that US leaves it to UN to pay for cleaning it up, I would rather see UN staying out of it.
And England shouldn't be held at all accountable?
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I think that UN should RUN the operation rebuilding Iraq, but US should pay for it. That way, the country *might* gain some advantage and most of all, US would not have a direct say about it. My opinion still is that US should pay for it, to the last dime that it takes.
got a quite similar opinion. but i think that all other countries that supported the war and sent troups should pay for it too (and that's not only US and the british people). if there is a good plan to let UN handle this, then i would definitely support that, but if they only want financial aid from UN and wanna be the organisers of the rebuilding themselves and kind of wanna stay in power over there, then let them do it themselves.

plus we're already giving financial aid and other help on a different level, through the ICRC, which was the most important aid organisation in iraq before the war, during the war and after the war. and it being neutral and helping everybody that needed help, i could also support it with good conscience....
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I think the point is that US made the mess without UN, and they should clean it without UN.
I understand what was meant but my question would remain the same. Would you deny the help of the UN to the people of Iraq in order for the US to "pay" for what has happened there?

I really didn't mean to get into a debate with it. It really was just a simple question based on your statement. And the reason I ask is because Mike, and you already know how he feels, thinks the UN getting involved with Iraq would be a good thing. I was just curious to see how others felt.
I think that UN should RUN the operation rebuilding Iraq, but US should pay for it. That way, the country *might* gain some advantage and most of all, US would not have a direct say about it. My opinion still is that US should pay for it, to the last dime that it takes. No matter what, after all that's been going on I would find it hard to believe that people in Iraq would trust US. Dunno how they relate to UN tho....

Back to your question....If it was that US leaves it to UN to pay for cleaning it up, I would rather see UN staying out of it.
And England shouldn't be held at all accountable?
Well when it comes to policing the world, UK is just trusty lapdog of US. So yes they should be held accountable as well. But still, it has been US running the show.....
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And England shouldn't be held at all accountable?
Its the UK not England dammit! England isn't the only country in the UK!

Anyway, people seem to forget about the other countries that helped in the war - Spain, Australia anybody??
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And England shouldn't be held at all accountable?
Its the UK not England dammit! England isn't the only country in the UK!

Anyway, people seem to forget about the other countries that helped in the war - Spain, Australia anybody??
Sorry about that. My mistake. Yes, I see your point about Spain and Oz, but why does everyone assume that the UK isn't just as guilty for running this show too??
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If it solves the problem, then of course I think it's good if UN goes there. I just think they should've been the ones to initiate it in the first place. Maybe UN will be sensible and kick Americans out of Iraq
Ah, yes. The UN. And in light of the scandal involving the UN, Saddam, and the Iraqis who suffered the most under the UN, bringing them in will definitely solve the problem. Maybe it will, if France and Russia have no involvement what so ever.
France are pretty much the only country with any experience in dealing with middle Eastern Terrorists, they were highly pivotal in the attack against Afghanisatn. You would shut out that knowledge & reduce the aid to the Iraqi's completely just because they didn't support your view of the war??
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