Abortion

wat they have found out with evolution doesnt mean there isnt a God, it actually leaves room for god! same as big bang!

but still NO proof whatsoever of his existings (although you said there was for both ways

Not a single one in a zillion years....

i really think you should draw a line in the sand on this one.

you have made your points quite well prior to this, but i think you should know when to quit. this is total garbage you are coming out with now. im not trying to be rude, and i do respect that you believe in the catholic teachings.

this thread has gone so far off topic someone needs to decide to let it run or close it now cause it has nothing to do with abortion anymore.

Bollocks! Every time science gives a new answer religion says that another of their stories isn't meant to be taken literally. Evolution does not leave room for the bible saying that the earth is only 6,000 years old and we came from 2 people, nor does the big bang leave room for anything but science. I really cannot believe that people believe this crap.

OK, this is definitely my last post in this thread because as Cuchulainn has made very clear, you could have a better conversation with a wall then with him.

1- That interview you posted between Richard Dawkins and David Quinn is a perfect example of the idiocy of the religious person. Talking louder and interrupting the person you're debating is a classic example of a person who is talking bollox and knows full well they can't win an argument thus they don't even engage. Quinn knows full well that Dawkins is vastly more intelligent then him and he couldn't win a debate with him on this subject so he came out with the same bullshit argument as you that the existence of matter proves God exists. Eh, no, it only proves the existence of hydrogen and is completely in keeping with the physical laws and constants of the universe. He even came out with a worse argument: free will. Free will is a philsophical question that will be answered by nueroscientists, and most agree that free will doesn't exist. Wht you can say for certain is that if your God exists then free will simply cannot exist. God is supposedly omniscient, therefore at the moment he is said to have created the universe he would have had to have known everything that was ever going to happen from the beginning. Thus, in order for him to have known everything at the start everrybodies entire life would've had to have been mapped out and we'd have as musch say in our lives as a clockwork toy has in it's. So Quinn showed up just has patheticly stupid he was with that argument, and you showed yourself up as even more stupid by giddally posting those links as some sort of theological victory. Oh well, failed again.

2- Atheism is the lack of belief in God or gods. It requires NO FAITH AT ALL to not believe in something. Atheists based their beliefs on evidence. No evidence for God's existence = no reason to believe it exists. No faith needed at all. Do you require faith not to believe in Santa, the tooth fairy or an infinite number of invisble ferretswalking all over you right now?

3- This is the third time I've written this now so I think it's clear you're not paying attention to anything that undermines your beliefs, which is completely in keeping with your fundamentalist statement that nothing anyone says could change your mind. Of course you can't prove 100% that God doesn't exist, but you can't 100% prove the non-existence of an infinite number of things. Why don't you believe is any other God? Why don't you pray to Thor, Ra, Aphrodite, Wotan, Poseidon or Ba'al? You can't 100% prove they don't exist. Why don't you follow the Muslim faith? You can't 100% disprove their incompatible claims with your own religion. If you don't believe in those other Gods (and I'm sure you don't) then you know full well how to be an atheist, you are an atheist with regards to all those gods, some of us just go one god further. You also know how not to take the claims of Muslims seriously, you know naturally how not to be a muslim.

Also, just because you can't 100% disprove Gods existence (and theoreticly it is possible to prove it exists, if it were to exist), it most certainly does not mean the likelyhood of it's existence or non-existence is 50/50. It's more like 99.9999999 and on for infinity for it's non-existence thus leaving the probability of it's existence as very, very low indeed so if you want to believe in it go right ahead, that's your right and privilage as a human being but don't go around making such unbelievably stupid claims for it's existence that you've been making; showing a complete and utter ignorance for what atheism is' asserting your arrogenace that somehow your belief is on a par with atheism and that just because someone questions, undermines, ridicules and rips your delusional beliefs to shreds that that makes that person intolerant. Nobody's gone to kill or hurt you for your beliefs (that's religions game) but we all agree that religious faith is in no way deserving of unquestioning respect. Since when does a belief that can't be backed up with evidence, and especially one that causes so much death, suffering, intolerance and division within society deserve any respect at all.



Grow up. Smarten up. Start thinking for yourself and start questioning your beliefs and you become a less pathetically ridiculous individual.

And as for the abortion issue, it should be up to be both parents (or the mother if the father is not on the scene) to decide what they feel is the best decision to be made and be allowed to abort the fetus if they(she) so wishes up to the point where a fetus has sufficently developed (developed a functioning nervous system) that it is recognisable as a human being and capable of feeling pain.

Excellent last post Butters. The concept you mentioned that I like the best though is this one:

That's a good analogy in the argument of "my god is better than your god"

Kathleen

There could be seperate threads for abortion, religion AND creation/evolution and easily get 3 healthy lots of replies to each, but trying to mix them all into the one thread is just damn confusing!! I've noticed that other people have mentioned it, but could one of the mods do something about this thread?? It's out of control.

there realyl isnt any poit of going on! uinn was talking loudr didnt let dawkins speak eve though he has no interest in free will i leave that be lol

i think hes drunk, personally.

u wouldnt be far wrong!