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Old 03-04-2003, 10:38 PM
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Jana, I hope you aren't in a situation that you have to think about this.

I for myself say that this is everyones own decision. And it is for sure no easy one. There are for sure reasons where this is the best solution.
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Old 03-04-2003, 10:40 PM
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At the end of the day the decision is up to the person that is pregnant. She shouldnt be judged on that decision. There may be many reasons for deciding to abort her unborn child. I've personally supported one friend through her decision to abort and although I didnt agree with it, it was her decision and respected her decision. It didnt change our friendship. One of my other friends had decided to have her pregnancy aborted but at the last minute changed her mind. This is a very personal and hard decision to make and why should they be judged for whatever way they choose to go.
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Jana, I hope you aren't in a situation that you have to think about this.

I for myself say that this is everyones own decision. And it is for sure no easy one. There are for sure reasons where this is the best solution.
No, Christine, don't worry. I'm not in such a situation
But one of my friends has had one...
I know how difficult it is. I just wanted to hear everyones opinion on this.
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At the end of the day the decision is up to the person that is pregnant. She shouldnt be judged on that decision. There may be many reasons for deciding to abort her unborn child. I've personally supported one friend through her decision to abort and although I didnt agree with it, it was her decision and respected her decision. It didnt change our friendship. One of my other friends had decided to have her pregnancy aborted but at the last minute changed her mind. This is a very personal and hard decision to make and why should they be judged for whatever way they choose to go.
I agree partly,

but if it is just a last-minute decision, and the couple are still together, then the male should have a decision also - even if it is not physically a part of his body.
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RE: when does a life begin. im not sure anywhere else but theres a loophole int he law here that deems that one breath must be made before a baby is officially alive. there was a woman in the north of scotland maybe on an island i think who ot arrested for drowning her babies at birth but got away with it because her lawyer used that loophole to get her off. its a dangerous precedent that i dont totally agree with but i think abortion is OK and shou;d be totally down to the person.

when most people talk about abortion they think about it fromt he church's point of view. Abortion is such a personal thing that theres no way it can be applied universally. maybe someone really shouldnt be having children ie mental handicappe dor disabled people who hae no choice, maybe some people just arent good parents or maybe someone just doesnt want the baby. theres just too many different circumstances for it to be either right or wrong.

one thing i will say for people who go with the catholic view that it is wrong.

Why is it wrong? because the Catholic church says so.........

why do they say so? because its a sin..............

why is it a sin? because its ending a life................ *which is very debatable)

why is ending a life a sin? because the catholic church say so...........

circular argument. it assumes wot it tries to prove so maybe the church isnt as solid a foundation for moral views as most would think.
Sorry dude, but your argument is not THE argument about why the Church says so.
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Jana, I hope you aren't in a situation that you have to think about this.

I for myself say that this is everyones own decision. And it is for sure no easy one. There are for sure reasons where this is the best solution.
No, Christine, don't worry. I'm not in such a situation
But one of my friends has had one...
I know how difficult it is. I just wanted to hear everyones opinion on this.
a girl around the corner from me (at home) had had 3 children by the age of 21, all to different fathers...
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RE: when does a life begin. im not sure anywhere else but theres a loophole int he law here that deems that one breath must be made before a baby is officially alive. there was a woman in the north of scotland maybe on an island i think who ot arrested for drowning her babies at birth but got away with it because her lawyer used that loophole to get her off. its a dangerous precedent that i dont totally agree with but i think abortion is OK and shou;d be totally down to the person.

when most people talk about abortion they think about it fromt he church's point of view. Abortion is such a personal thing that theres no way it can be applied universally. maybe someone really shouldnt be having children ie mental handicappe dor disabled people who hae no choice, maybe some people just arent good parents or maybe someone just doesnt want the baby. theres just too many different circumstances for it to be either right or wrong.

one thing i will say for people who go with the catholic view that it is wrong.

Why is it wrong? because the Catholic church says so.........

why do they say so? because its a sin..............

why is it a sin? because its ending a life................ *which is very debatable)

why is ending a life a sin? because the catholic church say so...........

circular argument. it assumes wot it tries to prove so maybe the church isnt as solid a foundation for moral views as most would think.
I hate religion in this respect...

"your baby is going to hell"
What do you mean?
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RE: when does a life begin. im not sure anywhere else but theres a loophole int he law here that deems that one breath must be made before a baby is officially alive. there was a woman in the north of scotland maybe on an island i think who ot arrested for drowning her babies at birth but got away with it because her lawyer used that loophole to get her off. its a dangerous precedent that i dont totally agree with but i think abortion is OK and shou;d be totally down to the person.

when most people talk about abortion they think about it fromt he church's point of view. Abortion is such a personal thing that theres no way it can be applied universally. maybe someone really shouldnt be having children ie mental handicappe dor disabled people who hae no choice, maybe some people just arent good parents or maybe someone just doesnt want the baby. theres just too many different circumstances for it to be either right or wrong.

one thing i will say for people who go with the catholic view that it is wrong.

Why is it wrong? because the Catholic church says so.........

why do they say so? because its a sin..............

why is it a sin? because its ending a life................ *which is very debatable)

why is ending a life a sin? because the catholic church say so...........

circular argument. it assumes wot it tries to prove so maybe the church isnt as solid a foundation for moral views as most would think.
I hate religion in this respect...

"your baby is going to hell"
What do you mean?
i know it's not all religion - but that Catholicism says we are all born bad, and on the road to hell. So an unborn baby is technically going to hell until it is baptised...

that's the ideology I hate!

In fact I think that's what Jon was writing about in Something to Believe In (part of it anyway
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It's weird... a couple of days ago I had quite a discussion about this topic with two friends and now there's a topic about it over here as well. But I guess my conclusion was that it's a very personal decision someone has to make, it completely depends on the situation someone's in. There are many reasons why someone would want to have an abortion, but on the other hand, pregnancy is avoidable as well. In some cases it's probably indifference / recklessness that caused the pregnancy and then it's just wrong. Abortion shouldn't really be necessary in the first place, but of course there are many reasons why things don't work out like they were planned. I think if considered well, an abortion is ok. It's a tough subject and I'm not against it... but it shouldn't become something like 'oh gee, I'm pregnant again, let's go to the doctor' - it should be handled with respect.
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It's weird... a couple of days ago I had quite a discussion about this topic with two friends and now there's a topic about it over here as well. But I guess my conclusion was that it's a very personal decision someone has to make, it completely depends on the situation someone's in. There are many reasons why someone would want to have an abortion, but on the other hand, pregnancy is avoidable as well. In some cases it's probably indifference / recklessness that caused the pregnancy and then it's just wrong. Abortion shouldn't really be necessary in the first place, but of course there are many reasons why things don't work out like they were planned. I think if considered well, an abortion is ok. It's a tough subject and I'm not against it... but it shouldn't become something like 'oh gee, I'm pregnant again, let's go to the doctor' - it should be handled with respect.
definitely - not enough people see it this way though... for some it really is just a formality to have an abortion after "yet another" pregnancy
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