Abortion

letitrock · #41 03-05-2003, 03:08 AM

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I dont think I would ever tell my child about his father if it did happen to me, well not until they were older at least but I dont think I ever would

they'd be scarred for life if they ever knew... i think it's the type of thing you'd have to just "lie" about, but you know "mummy/mum loves you"[/quote]

joviscout · #42 03-05-2003, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LeahRose

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Oh and did you know that men who hunt are more than ten times more likely to beat there wifes and children

Awww nooo, really? That sucks! That is another thing I despise Men who beat up their wifes and kids. I wanna shoot them in the balls too...no wait I dont first I wanna grab their cocks and twist and twist and twist and lots of other things to cause them pain before shooting them.

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i think many would. Just because it's quite extreme in my mind, but then I know that's just my opinion.

I just find it hard to see how to tell the child who his daddy was when he gets older and wants to know

That is true, but I couldnt kill a child for that reason. True theres a adoption but I couldnt do that either

I wanna be a mom more than anything in this world and I dont think I could live knowing I had a child out there somewhere. And not being there with it.

I dont think I would ever tell my child about his father if it did happen to me, well not until they were older at least but I dont think I ever would.

LOL love the bit about wife and kids.

joviscout · #43 03-05-2003, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by letitrock

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I dont think I would ever tell my child about his father if it did happen to me, well not until they were older at least but I dont think I ever would

they'd be scarred for life if they ever knew... i think it's the type of thing you'd have to just "lie" about, but you know "mummy/mum loves you"

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Totally agree, theres no way at all of ever telling them that. It would destroy there world.

iwan_rasta · #44 03-05-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin2000

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I disagree if somebody do this to kill her baby. But for the medical reason, I can tolerate that

the following SHOULD NOT BE AN INSULT IN ANY WAY- i just used this comment above as a little "spark"
3 questions to think about:
1. where is the border between abort or not-abort?
2. who makes this border?
3. what are factors on which the decision (or the borders) should be made? (mental or physical disability, life expectance, costs for therapies, right to live, worth of living, burden for the family,...)

add. question 4:
when does life begin? because "murder" is the intentional kill a living thing... you could say that life begins when the baby's born or at a certain state of the embryonal genesis

with aborting you also have to take care of the all the disabled people: if you suffer from pku (phenylketonuria) like my little cousin, an illness where you can't absorb a protein and on the effect you'll get heavily mental disabled but if you make a diet ALL LIFE LONG with phenylalanin-poor nutrition nearly nothing will happen to you- mentally and physically. so if you have this illness and read or hear that a mother aborted her baby when it came out it had pku because the mother doesn't want to have a child with pku cause it's a real heavy burden (nutrition is DAMNED expensive, the first years you have to visit the doc ~ 15+ times a month, you have to get a specialist on this illness yourself so that you know how much of this protein is in which nutr., what are the signs of an overdose of phenylalanin,...........)
you're gonna be thinking a lot about your illness, about your right to live and it'll come to your mind what YOUR mother would've done IF she had known before

if you (=own decision) abort a baby for any medical reason then all the living humans with that disease will be scared of their right to live. further on if you allow the abortion of disabled babies BY LAW then you kind of take away all the living humans with that disease the right to live. the next step which isn't too far off is to oblige people to abort their babies when they have a certain disability you would have to control every pregnancy which would result in a "brave new world". don't say that i'm phantasizing- just look at what was done in the 3rd Reich...

to get back to my little exapmle:
it was just one example of one disease from an uncountable amount of diseases and i named it because it's in my family- the boy is now 7 years old, started school this year and is (besides of him being lil (but sweet) pest

) mentally and physically normal- the only thing is that his pigmentation is a bit too light which is a small sideeffect on pku but if you don't know that you'll think he's just blond

This is what I mean for a "medical reasons" : if the doctor said it will be too risk,too danger for mother and child safety,then it will be aborted with a doctor's guidance. You got it?

Anyway,this is an interesting topic

Tashjbj · #45 03-05-2003, 05:23 PM

Hi

This is a difficult topic and cannot be answered, I feel, in a simple black and white way. Everyone has a differnt idea about it, being from religious background, cultural or personal experience (just to name a few). My opinion is that there are times that I agree and times when I don't. I don't agree with abortion when it is used as a form of birth control. If you are mature (and I use that term very loosely!) enough to have sex then you should be mature enough to protect yourself from getting pregnant, not to mention to protect yourself from diseases.
However, should I get pregnant after being raped, I feel I am perfectly in my right to abort that child. No, it is not the child's fault that I was raped and it had nothing to do with it. I too did not ask for that to happen and I don't think I would want a living reminder of something that happened to me.
I also feel that if I and my partner are taking every precaution not to get pregnant (i.e. pill, condom, coil) then again I would have it done, I have done everything not to get pregnant and science would have then failed me.
I'm between minds though for medical reasons... if the child will have no quality of life and will live in pain, then I agree that an abortion is okay. If it will have a medical deficiency, but still mentally and physically okay, then the abortion would only be for my convenience and I could not do that. If I choose to have a child, then I should accept what I have.
Like I said there is no clear-cut answer. At the end of the day, everyone needs to make the decision that she (and he) feels comfortable with. I believe whatever way you go it is a difficult decision.

Fox hunting is just downright cruel and barbaric and it makes me angry so I won't go into that..

About the comment on why to be a vegetarian; you are correct. My contribution is like a needle in a haystack, but that is how most things start. I do not eat meat, not because I don't like meat, but I think the way animals are kept and killed is uncalled for and not necessary. Not to mention mass production, which is disgusting. I believe we can all make a difference in the world and maybe me not eating meat isn't that big in regards to the larger scale of things, but it's a start.

Tash

Jim Bon Jovi · #46 03-07-2003, 01:07 AM

to all the people who said abortion in any circumstances is wrong must live in the clouds cos where i am theres a hell of a lot of people who shouldnt be haviong children at all. in fact in the news today was a woman whos children are in care because she left them in the house for a week whilst she went on holiday. were not talking fully grown kids here, the oldest was 12. now the social have got a hold of her and said u can take ur kids back.

she says "im not taking them back unless i get a bigger house" well **** u i dont work and pay tax for bitches like u to live off of the taxman like a parasite. my gf's dad has a back problem which means he cant work, my best friends dad has hurt his hand which means he can't work. the money they recieve is beyond a joke and the benefits agency are always trying to catch them out to see if their working or doing something they shouldnt be.

on the other hand we have thousands of refugee's, junkies and alcoholics laughing at the expense of the honest people in this country.

that was a bit of a tangent but the point is that their are people who shouldnt be having babies because they may not physically be dead but the life their brought into isnt much better. try letting a junkie look after a 2 year old for a day and then tell me that their shouldnt be abortion.

joviscout · #47 03-07-2003, 01:19 AM

Since when did childerns lives become about money. Were trying to have a moral conversation not a financial one. Go crawl back under a rock.

Iceman · #48 03-07-2003, 10:39 AM

My thoughts:

1. Life does not begin at the moment the egg and the sperm unite. Even after few days it's just a bunch of cells that may or may not become a baby at some point.
2. Abortion is controlled by laws. Most of those laws are really thought out and as correct as they can be.
3. Abortion is the decision of the woman only. Not that I don't think the men have a right to say something, they should, but it's the woman that has to make the ultimate decision.
4. Aborting a fetus that has a very good chance of living a healthy life is a harder subject. I don't know where to draw the line to say the baby is alive or just a bunch of cells. Heartbeat? Maybe. Brain acticity? All I know is that after a certain time the baby could be rescued by modern medicine and live happily and healthy ever after, if not with his biological mother then with someone else. There's too many couples not able to get a baby and too many illegal abortions.
5. I hope most women have good reasons for getting an abortion. 'Cause there are other ways to deal with it. For starters, you might want to learn about birth control, there are pills, capsules, condoms... And there's even a pill to prevent pregnancy if you have an accident as long as you take the pill(s) in 72 hours after the intercourse. Some responsibilty is needed if you want to have fun...

Ice

Mike · #49 03-08-2003, 12:21 AM

This is one I'll never come to a decision on... Very tough so I'll start by debating a few of Icemans points to show why I find this a tough subject.

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Originally Posted by Iceman

My thoughts:

1. Life does not begin at the moment the egg and the sperm unite. Even after few days it's just a bunch of cells that may or may not become a baby at some point.

U were once such a bunch of cells. I have trouble with when the baby becomes alive...

Once it is allowed - it is so easy to argue against an abortion, just as it is easy to argue for i circumstaces.

It'd be much easier if ppl were more careful beforehand.

Mike

Iceman · #50 03-08-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

U were once such a bunch of cells. I have trouble with when the baby becomes alive...

That's the problem. When DOES a bunch of cells turn into a living being?

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It'd be much easier if ppl were more careful beforehand.

True. I find it hard to believe there are so many accidents happening. Rape is one thing, but accidents could all be prevented.

Ice

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