Abortion

i'm sorry to go off the point a little so let's not get too far away from the main issue since this is a good topic, but earlier the hunting subject came up... yesterday I was absolutely sickened... I went to vote in one of these stupid student elections and the girl there (a real aristocratic daddy's girl) was just stood there, not with a fur coat, but an actual fox hanging round her neck... with the head/legs/tail everything... it made me sick...

i wanted to say something to her but the words weren't coming out and i just ended up stood there for a while staring at this fox around her neck, then she left... if I had a crystal ball knowing someone would turn out like that then there's an advocation for abortion.

every woman in the world should choose to keep or not his future child

re: cos the catholic church says so...
didnt they used to allow killing, if you were killing a sinner, e.g. stoning adulterous people to death? why is it ok to kill a sinner but not an unborn child - ok so maybe its ok to kill sinners cos theyre sinners, but theyre still alive and what if u got the wrong person?
and also why is there the original sin - if god is so loving and forgiving etc, and forgives everyones sins, why wont he forgive the original sin?
and also about loopholes in the law: about a year or 2 ago, there was a woman who was pregnant and she was run over and the baby died, and she couldnt sue the driver cos its life hadnt officially started.
i think abortion is ok sometimes, like if youve been raped or the baby is killing you (e.g. sometimes tha baby raises your blood pressure cos it cant be bothered to be born, and by raising your blood pressure it makes u give birth later, and sometimes it can raise it so high it kills you), i dont understand people who are so anti-abortion that they dont even let people in those circumstances abort, theyre just fanatical and religious bigots. you cant say that because the bible says it shouldnt be allowed that means it shouldnt because the people in the bible could have been in different situations, and you have to understand the individual situations.
its the womans choice really.

also hunting SUCKS it is stupid and pointless and its just for people with nothing better to do and no brains and too much money and "pedigree". i hate the ones who say "its fun for the fox too, he loves it really, and also the hounds and the horses, etc" cos how would they like it if they ran around being chased by blokes on horses with hounds trained to kill you?
its also cruel to the horses and hounds cos when they are too old to do it, they have to be destroyed or put in kennels for the rest of their lives, cos they have been trained to be so aggressive that they cant be owned by people like regular dogs ever again.

in austria- and i think in every other countries- law says that life begins as soon as the embryo turns into fetus which is with the beginning of the heartbeat in the beginning of the 3rd month... this is why abortion is allowed here only in the embryonal period with some exceptions....

think about it what you want...

I'll have to review my law class because I think Canadian is almost the same then Austria but I cannot find it the Criminal Code.

Anyway, this is just to tell everyone that in Canada before 1988 abortion was a crime. Now, abortion is legal. Each the courts have dealt with abortion stuff, they always said that Courts canno tell when life start because that a philosophycal debate and there's not logical answer to this! So Law is not the place where you know when life start!

Now I want to further the debate on a link subject: A couple of years ago, the Supreme Court of Canada had to deal with the "when the life start questions".

The fact were like this: a mother had a car accident while being pregnant, because of this the child was born before time and was heavily handicap. The baby by the means of his tutor sued the mother saying that she was responsible for the handicap. So you had a court case where a baby sued her mother, for an action the mother had posed before birth!

Now the law on this is that:
1. A baby can sue someone(except his mother) for an action before birth, only if the baby can be born alive. ( they say you get legal right only after birth, so you can only sue if you are born alive. ex: a baby that would not survive the car accident could never sue.)

*this is interresting because if you are born alive, you get leagl rights for something that happen before your birth, so it seemed that law recognised the right of a unborn child. But the law say you can still get an abortion!



2.a baby can never sue its own mother, whatever the mother did before birth that hurted the child. so there was an other case in Canadian Law where the mother was addicted to glue vapor, because of this she already had 3 handicap child. she was pregnant for the 4 times. the Social services wanted to force the mother to go for a detox. cure. The court ruled that since the child was not born, the child had not right. so here the social service couldn't protect the unborn child. The social service had to wait for the birth of an other handicpa child and sue after the child was born. Why? the court said the liberty of the mother was supreme because she is a human being. Since the kid was not born, the court (even if they didn't say it aloud) implied that an unborn child has not right, because its not a human being!


WOW anyway just to show how can law be mixed up. Law is usually never the answer to a big question like abortion. The courts always said Law is just the reflection of society's belief.


what do you think about this????

Wow- I'm the only hunter willing to put my hands up and say Aye, hmm? This calls for a new thread!

Love
Laura

P.S. Don't flame. Debate and argue, but don't flame. Flaming is unintelligent, and damages your cause.

Guilty as charged!!! well whatever is your definition of flame, i might be guilty of it BUT i think real life example such as court case are a good source of information on what happening in our society. By exposing such example, my goal is too giv emore info to people. Because with more info, the you can do a better debate! More info, more example means a more enlighted argument! so my post was to give info to people that wanted to debate. if you don't want the info for your debate, then just don't use it for your argument, Other people might be interested to learn new stuff!

BUT hey, even if your right , take this with a , no reason to go ballistic, I was always a show off and I admit it.

this explains your picture...

Yes your breed is dying out now . Ill refrain from my next comment as it may be regarded as flaming.