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Old 11-07-2003, 12:31 AM
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There are no valid reasons for it.
Yes, there are.
There are many valid reasons for it. Perhaps the best one I can think of is "It's my body and my CHOICE" After that I can argue morality or politics but I'm sorry - It IS my body.

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And the baby doesnt it have a body too? and arent you controlling its choice?. If someone doesnt want it adopt it out but dont kill it just cause they **** up and were to **** stupid to either put on a condom or take the pill. Another problem is socity today sex is such a causal thing and people arent willing to take responsibiltys for there actions anymore.
You have to understand that not every abortion is about an unwanted pregnancy or careless sex. Sometimes it is a life or death situation and sometimes it is a quality of life decision. Aside from some of the more obvious ones pointed out already.

And I certainly don't need a f uck ing politician to make the decision for me!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-07-2003, 12:39 AM
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And I certainly don't need a f uck ing politician to make the decision for me!!!!!!!!
I think that is the bottom line. Plus almost all of said politicians are men who have absolutely no clue about such matters as pregnancy.
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i still totally believe that it should be upto the parent i mean if they're even considering an abortion then it's for a reason wether its through rape, illness or just not wanting it all of these r goign to have serious repurcussions for the child. as i said before u may not physically kill the child but rou dhere there's alot fo children that might as well be dead cos no one cares about them or looks after them cos they were unwanted.

and as has already been brought up, i think the idea of politicians and in the wider context, organised religions deciding what is good for the parties involved is total bullshit.
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I think everything after the first trimester is too late to have an abortion!!! by then the child starts to develop arms and legs and everything....
This ban was for "partial birth abortion" a procedure done only to either save the life of the mother or to abort a baby that has NO quality of life. The procedure is never performed simply to abort an unwanted child.

90 percent of all abortions are performed within the first trimester.

This is really an outrage, but sounds so wonderful if you only think of it as an abortion of an unwanted child, which it is NOT!

The life of a mother should be saved (if the mother choses so) if an abortion is the only way to save her. If a baby is so severely deformed that it has virtually no quality of life, the parents should be able to make the decision of whether or not to abort.
Do u mean that even in case of life danger for the mother/child, rape cases is not legal to have an assisted abort in the 1st trimester??
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I think everything after the first trimester is too late to have an abortion!!! by then the child starts to develop arms and legs and everything....
This ban was for "partial birth abortion" a procedure done only to either save the life of the mother or to abort a baby that has NO quality of life. The procedure is never performed simply to abort an unwanted child.

90 percent of all abortions are performed within the first trimester.

This is really an outrage, but sounds so wonderful if you only think of it as an abortion of an unwanted child, which it is NOT!

The life of a mother should be saved (if the mother choses so) if an abortion is the only way to save her. If a baby is so severely deformed that it has virtually no quality of life, the parents should be able to make the decision of whether or not to abort.
Do u mean that even in case of life danger for the mother/child, rape cases is not legal to have an assisted abort in the 1st trimester??
1st trimester is and will remain legal (for now anyway) - in most states on US soil anyway.

The bill that was passed, banned partial birth abortion which is done past the first trimester, but only under severe circumstances.

However, you are right, in military hospitals, NO abortion is allowed. Not even in the first trimester. Not if the mother's health is at risk, not if the soldier was raped by her superior!!! Unfortunately, these military hospitals are in foreign countries, and female military personnel thus has no option of an abortion (even in the case of rape - which is quite common in the military )

As for the law that Bush signed a couple of days ago, the courts have already ruled that the law is unconstitutional (thank god we've got courts) - see below:

Federal Abortion Ban Blocked by Judges in Nebraska, New York and California

November 7, 2003 |New York, NY | Learn More
Statement by Nancy Northup, President

"Late yesterday, a California federal judge joined New York and Nebraska judges in recognizing the unconstitutionality of the first-ever federal abortion ban signed into law by President Bush on Wednesday. All three federal judges recognized that the absence of a health exception in the law violates the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Stenberg v. Cahart that struck down a virtually identical Nebraska law.

With these three temporary restraining orders, the majority of abortion providers in the nation can continue to provide safe abortion care to their patients without fear of prosecution.

We will continue to fight this dangerous law until the courts strike it down, just as we did three years ago in Stenberg v. Carhart."
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This subjects are always complicated to discuss. Im a nurse student and i i need to make a paper work about abortion, euthanasy, fecundation in vitro, the use os humans embryon for investigation... dunno what to choose cause they´re all so difficult to talk about
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There are no valid reasons for it.
Yes, there are.
There are many valid reasons for it. Perhaps the best one I can think of is "It's my body and my CHOICE" After that I can argue morality or politics but I'm sorry - It IS my body.

Kathleen
And the baby doesnt it have a body too? and arent you controlling its choice?. If someone doesnt want it adopt it out but dont kill it just cause they **** up and were to **** stupid to either put on a condom or take the pill. Another problem is socity today sex is such a causal thing and people arent willing to take responsibiltys for there actions anymore.
There are many valid reasons for abortion and most have already been named. If I am raped and I am pregnant, there is no way I would keep the baby, no it's not the baby's fault, but I refuse to be reminded of an heinous act every second of my life. And what when that child asks who his father is? But anyway. It's like Kathleen already said, it is MY body. I can choose to tattoo myself pierce myself and do whatever I see fit to my body. This means I can choose to have an abortion or not. In addition it is ridiculous that the male leaders or politicians are making decisions that they will never have to face, that is not how it should be, it's like living in the Middle ages again!

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