[letitrock]

Originally Posted by Taija

I wrote a topic about the fact that the same topics are discussed over and over again already months ago but didn't get much replies. I'm a bit late with this conversation, I just read the whole thing through, but I just want to say that I don't want krb to leave. I know there's nothing I can do about him leaving but he really adds (or added) something to this board and made some good points. I think people are just afraid to admit that they agree with him sometimes, and I'm not shouting it out loud myself.

And about the "offend" krb made to Jess, I've heard worse things about my English and I'm not offended by them. No offense, Jess, but when I heard about this fight, I thought it was something much more serious that what it finally was, as someone else already said (and was bashed).

I better stop before I'll get kicked out myself (if anyone bothers to read this thread anymore...)

Taija

I'm reading it,

well your English is excellent - so who said that?

[Taija]

Originally Posted by letitrock

well your English is excellent - so who said that?

I used a wrong preposition (these are always difficult for me) and the meaning of the sentence was something else than I meant it to be... It doesn't matter who said it.

[letitrock]

Originally Posted by Taija

I used a wrong preposition (these are always difficult for me) and the meaning of the sentence was something else than I meant it to be... It doesn't matter who said it.

yes but I'm English and I might do something like that by accident myself...

the mere fact that you know what a preoposition is says to me your English is superb

[Taija]

I just wrote a PM to Choc and I think I expressed my thoughts better there:

I'm not saying that krb is being appropriate all the time and he should (or anyone for that matter) jugde people's post based on their English skills, but he really was making some good points. Many of his post were just an attempt to set up a fight but there (almost) always was something true in them, otherwise people would not have replyed.

And one more thing, if some one from the other side of an ocean is making a death threat to you, do you really take it serious? I wouldn't, especially if the person even doesn't know me in person.

[letitrock]

Originally Posted by Taija

I just wrote a PM to Choc and I think I expressed my thoughts better there:

I'm not saying that krb is being appropriate all the time and he should (or anyone for that matter) jugde people's post based on their English skills, but he really was making some good points. Many of his post were just an attempt to set up a fight but there (almost) always was something true in them, otherwise people would not have replyed.

And one more thing, if some one from the other side of an ocean is making a death threat to you, do you really take it serious? I wouldn't, especially if the person even doesn't know me in person.

have a look at the "who is most popular" thread... and you'll see it doesn't bother me no

[letitrock]

Originally Posted by Taija

I just wrote a PM to Choc and I think I expressed my thoughts better there:

I'm not saying that krb is being appropriate all the time and he should (or anyone for that matter) jugde people's post based on their English skills, but he really was making some good points. Many of his post were just an attempt to set up a fight but there (almost) always was something true in them, otherwise people would not have replyed.

And one more thing, if some one from the other side of an ocean is making a death threat to you, do you really take it serious? I wouldn't, especially if the person even doesn't know me in person.

it's just his manner i think...

this sounds awful: but i'm not bothered about his comments on nationalities, race, gender etc because they are all just generalised

it's like me saying all southerners (english) are mummy's boys... or someone saying all Scousers talk crap...

but when it is personal it's pushing it a little too far

[Mike McRock]

Originally Posted by Taija

And one more thing, if some one from the other side of an ocean is making a death threat to you, do you really take it serious? I wouldn't, especially if the person even doesn't know me in person.

Did you not bother to read my post

I specifically said that I'm not stupid, and I didn't reguard it as a serious threat. Bloody hell, you come along trying to sound great, but I could litteraly quote myself saying "I did not take this seriously". The point is, this was not said as a joke, (even if it was a joke it would have been tasteless, but it was not a joke), and the post wasn't plesant, and certanly doesn't have a place on this board. Similarly, I doubt that KRB really was extatic about all those people dying on Sept 11, this still doesnt' make it right, or excuse in anyway what he said. It was out of place, and completely uncalled for.

What if we started somebody did a post where they said they'd like to rape you... would this be laughed of, not taken seriously because they're not going to do it. Of cource not, you'd be outraged, along with a lot of other people.

If you think that telling people that they're going to kill somebody, how they're going to do it, is fun, and completely relevent on this board, well then, I hope you're in the minority, because this sort of behaviour is simply unaceptable

[manuit78]

Originally Posted by Taija

And one more thing, if some one from the other side of an ocean is making a death threat to you, do you really take it serious? I wouldn't, especially if the person even doesn't know me in person.

:P No, I'm not going to pee my pants, but that's not how it was originally phrased. He said that he willed the towers to fall down and that people deserved to die like that. He wished death on America which to me is much worse than threatening someone's life (by means of a computer, it's understood)
But what I mean is, I don't have any problem if he stays, I just happened to find some of the things he said "unappropriate"

[jovilaura_fi]

Originally Posted by Mike McRock

Very true, but by and large, these people don't take part in the long discussions. Of cource I'm not going to agree with you, if you say Slippery is a poor mans Crush (not that I'm saying you said this), but if a discussion is to take place, you've got to come back, and be able to sustain and justify your opinion. Sure, as Ice so kindly pointed out recently, you don't have to do this, but if you want to be considered a serious poster, who really does want to discuss the band properly you do.

First of all, I don't think that just by taking part in the "long discussions" you are a serious poster. That might make you an obsessed poster, but not serious by default. Secondly, I don't think that by writing essay-like posts you are being more serious about Bon Jovi than people who express themselves in a more compact way. Writing long posts doesn't mean that you have more to say. Thirdly, I think that you are mixing up the concepts of discussion and argument. In discussion, I (or anybody else for that matter) don't have to come back "sustain and justify your opinion".

I don't have anything to prove to anyone, and I don't need to take part in any discussion that I'm not interested in. I don't see Bon Jovi as a hard rock hair band. I see them as so much more, I see them as complex musicians. I don't know where you got the idea of Slippery being "poor mans Crush", and I don't see how it relates to any of the points made earlier. I don't care if you agree with my opinions or not, it's the fact that you read them, and try to understand where I (or any other person) am coming from with what I say. No offense, but with that comment, you're once again resorting to the one opinion that you have, and that you keep on telling us over and over again.

I'd say I probably take their opinions more seriously, because I'll largely agree with Letitrock, Supersonic e.t.c because they want a rock band, so there's not that much for me to say, to discuss. However, I'm much more likely to do longer posts, try to start a discussion if you're opinion is different to mine. I find all to often however, that people just don't want ot have this talk, and I find myself being told, 'if you don't like the band now, don't listen to them anymore'. This seems to be the staple argument for a lot of people...

You want a rock band a la 80s. We all know that by now, believe me. But that's not what Bon Jovi want to be, can't you see that? It's not a question of what you or I want, it's not a question of differences of our opinions. It's a fact that the band doesn't want to go back to being what they were in the 80s. Yes - they were big, and they were great, they wrote class one songs, but they want to grow and evolve with each album.

Of cource this is a generalisation, and there are people out there with different opinions to me who are willing to put their views forward, but I can't think of anybody of the top of my head who constantly involves themselves in long disucssion, with the opinion that Bon Jovi are one the right track with what they are doing.

Once again, you are saying here that "a serious poster" is someone who takes part in the long conversations you keep on having. That's not at all what "a serious poster" is. I don't see why the same thing has to be argued over and over again, that's why I, for example, don't take part in your "serious discussions" about why BJ aren't in the 80s track anymore. I think the whole subject is wearing out, since you keep on talking about it at any chance you get. At least I can claim to have more opinions than just one that I stick to with stubborness. I can have long serious debates if I want to, but that's not why I am on this board. I can also have fun and post meaningless things if I feel like it. You can do whatever you want (at least that used to be the case anyways) on this board, be serious, be meaningless, be fun, be yourself.

[jovilaura_fi]

Originally Posted by Taija

And about the "offend" krb made to Jess, I've heard worse things about my English and I'm not offended by them. No offense, Jess, but when I heard about this fight, I thought it was something much more serious that what it finally was, as someone else already said (and was bashed).

Nor should you be offended by comments to your English, since it was a joke And you laughed really hard as far as I can remember - it was a good one!!!

I, too, hadn't heard of the fight between Jess and krb at the time, and I, too, was surprised, I also thought that it was much harsher. I'm not saying that Jess shouldn't be offended, we all have different levels of tolerance. Just that there have been much worse things said on this board about people, real personal insults that I think went way off.

Besides, krb wasn't perfect with his English, either, and it's his mother tongue. No offence should be taken from someone judging your language skills. Just the fact that non-native speakers speak English at all should be enough.