Another non-American point of view

letitrock · #11 02-18-2003, 06:25 PM

"What's the deal with the French and the English... you'd think they'd all get along... after all they share the same island."

Mike McRock · #12 02-18-2003, 06:32 PM

true, but we british have an inbread fear of moustaches

Mongoose · #13 02-18-2003, 06:59 PM

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HERE ARE EXCERPTS FROM AN EMAIL THAT TONY BLAIR RECEIVED FROM AN Iraqi exile

just wondering where that came from out of interest?

Mongoose · #14 02-18-2003, 07:00 PM

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"What's the deal with the French and the English... you'd think they'd all get along... after all they share the same island."

its more to do with the fact that the French stab us in the back every chance possible

choclady · #15 02-18-2003, 07:58 PM

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Really? Wasn't there recently a re-election of Schroeder in Germany because he decided to go with an anti-American platform, which was in tune with the German public?

yes but there was great fear that he only said it so he can win the elections. many of us voted him but were still certain he would turn his back on us after the elections. its good to see though that for once he sticks to his promises! thats what we voted him for

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A tyrant like Saddam doesn't suddenly start cooperating with demands after so many years of non-compliance

i still dont see the use in attacking iraq though because saddam is not stupid. he knows how to hide, he has many dublicats (i.e. people that look like him and can be used to represent instead of the real saddam). so before getting saddam they will have to find out which one he really is. he's not gonna show you his passport, is he?

krb102 · #16 02-18-2003, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovi2003

We don't need European allies

02feb03

SO much for our allies. So much for the coalition against terrorism with France seeking to thwart any attempt to invade Iraq.

So much for Western unity, with Germany saying it will not yet join the fight against the brutal dictatorship threatening world peace.
We have every right to be aggrieved.

This selfish and cynical partnership has much to do with their substantial trading interests in the Middle East and in Third World countries opposed to an armed response to Saddam Hussein's thuggery.

Germans, more than most, should be alert to the folly of giving an unrelenting dictator time to grow in strength and influence. There is no timid antidote for evil. We can forget appeasement.

As for France, twice rescued from invasion and foreign domination at the cost of untold lives, many of them Australian, British and American, its hypocrisy is breathtaking. For France to lecture us on foreign relations is preposterous.

France is a nation with only the faintest regard for the rights of other sovereign powers.

Remember the Rainbow Warrior? Murderous French military agents were despatched to sink the Greenpeace ship because it was drawing unwelcome attention to France's nuclear testing on Australia's doorstep. Those bombs -- exploded as far from mainland French soil as it is possible to get -- were a sample of Gallic arrogance at its haughty worst.

Australia stands on the brink of joining a justified military campaign against the evil of Saddam Hussein, yet the France we supported through its blackest days is doing all it can in the UN and other forums to frustrate initiatives to secure our safe future.

France and Germany pledged to join the war on terrorism that began with the attack on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. They pledged to help unravel the terror networks and root out the regimes that sponsored atrocities of the kind that occurred in New York, Washington and then Bali.

It seems, however, they are not willing to dirty their hands in achieving goals that are good for them and the world. The French cockerel, in particular, will be crowing its dissent from the sidelines when America and its true allies do what must be done. Again.

So it's kind of a 'with us or against us' attitude eh? It's people like you that make others think that the American government=the American public.

An-U · #17 02-18-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovi2003

France and Germany pledged to join the war on terrorism that began with the attack on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

Only in case you didn't notice it: There are a lot of people here who didn't want Germany to join in this war. But that time it wasn't the official opinion and they didn't go out on the streets (at least there was a small reason for fighting the war (even though I don't really understand it)). But now the people are fed up with all the war (and our government uses that to save its own ass).

An-U · #18 02-18-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by krb102

So it's kind of a 'with us or against us' attitude eh? It's people like you that make others think that the American government=the American public.

I'm surprised. I guess that's the first time that I totally agree with you.

Mousebounce · #19 02-18-2003, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnU

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Originally Posted by krb102

So it's kind of a 'with us or against us' attitude eh? It's people like you that make others think that the American government=the American public.

I'm surprised. I guess that's the first time that I totally agree with you.

In the end, European or American, it's all about propaganda.

Mike · #20 02-18-2003, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovi2003

We don't need European allies

02feb03

SO much for our allies. So much for the coalition against terrorism with France seeking to thwart any attempt to invade Iraq.

This isn't part of the war on terror

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So much for Western unity, with Germany saying it will not yet join the fight against the brutal dictatorship threatening world peace.
We have every right to be aggrieved.

Germany is promoting a viable peaceful option that will result in far less blood shed

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This selfish and cynical partnership has much to do with their substantial trading interests in the Middle East and in Third World countries opposed to an armed response to Saddam Hussein's thuggery.

Similar to America & Israel then

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Germans, more than most, should be alert to the folly of giving an unrelenting dictator time to grow in strength and influence. There is no timid antidote for evil. We can forget appeasement.

Hitlers actions r being mirrored by Bush. Hitler went thru the motions of peace before invading Poland, a country that couldn't defend itself.

Saddam is head of a third world country with no where near the capability of even seizing Kuwait let alone the World.

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As for France, twice rescued from invasion and foreign domination at the cost of untold lives, many of them Australian, British and American, its hypocrisy is breathtaking. For France to lecture us on foreign relations is preposterous.

So they have to follow blindly into folly?? America aren't under threat from invasion. France r trying to keep peace & stop a needless war. Much like America didn't join us in the Suez adventure. It was a mistake/

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France is a nation with only the faintest regard for the rights of other sovereign powers.

Remember the Rainbow Warrior? Murderous French military agents were despatched to sink the Greenpeace ship because it was drawing unwelcome attention to France's nuclear testing on Australia's doorstep. Those bombs -- exploded as far from mainland French soil as it is possible to get -- were a sample of Gallic arrogance at its haughty worst.

Why is this just France, & not Russia or China??? God forbid u offend them.

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Australia stands on the brink of joining a justified military campaign against the evil of Saddam Hussein, yet the France we supported through its blackest days is doing all it can in the UN and other forums to frustrate initiatives to secure our safe future.

Your safe future at the destruction of stability in the Middle East.

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France and Germany pledged to join the war on terrorism that began with the attack on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. They pledged to help unravel the terror networks and root out the regimes that sponsored atrocities of the kind that occurred in New York, Washington and then Bali.

This isn't about a war on terror.

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