Another non-American point of view

Mike · #21 02-18-2003, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovi2003

HERE ARE EXCERPTS FROM AN EMAIL THAT TONY BLAIR RECEIVED FROM AN Iraqi exile:

I want to ask those who support the anti - "war" movement (apart from pacifists - that is a totally different situation) their motives and reasoning behind such support. You may feel that America is trying to blind you from seeing the truth about their real reasons for an invasion. I must argue that in fact, you are still blind to the bigger truths in Iraq. I must ask you to consider the following questions:

Saddam has murdered more than a million Iraqis over the past 30 years, are you willing to allow him to kill another million Iraqis?

Out of a population of 20 million, 4 million Iraqis have been forced to flee their country during Saddam's reign. Are you willing to ignore the real and present danger that caused so many people to leave their homes and families?

Saddam rules Iraq using fear - he regularly imprisons, executes and tortures the mass population for no reason whatsoever - this may be hard to believe and you may not even appreciate the extent of such barbaric acts, but believe me you will be hard pressed to find a family in Iraq who have not had a son/father/brother killed, imprisoned, tortured and/or "disappeared" due to Saddam's regime. What has been stopping you from taking to the streets to protest against such blatant crimes against humanity in the past?

Saddam gassed thousands of political prisoners in one of his campaigns to "cleanse" prisons - why are you not protesting against this barbaric act?

An example of the dictator's policy you are trying to save - Saddam has made a law to give excuse to any man to rape a female relative and then murder her in the name of adultery. Do you still want to march to keep him in power? . . . .

Of course it would be ideal if an invasion could be undertaken, not by the Americans, but by, say, the Nelson Mandela International Peace Force. That's not on offer. The Iraqi people cannot wait until such a force materialises; they have been forced to take what they're given. That such a force does not exist - cannot exist - in today's world is a failing of the very people who do not want America to invade Iraq, yet are willing to let thousands of Iraqis to die in order to gain the higher moral ground. Do not continue to punish the Iraqi people because you are "unhappy" with the amount of power the world is at fault for allowing America to wield. Do not use the Iraqi people as a pawn in your game for moral superiority - one loses that right when one allows a monster like Saddam to rule for 30 years without so much as protesting against his rule.

R u sure this is genuine?? Or another cut & paste job.

If this War was really about liberating the ppl (the new stance - no. 4) taken by the gov't, surely Zimbabwe is a more immenent concern.

letitrock · #22 02-18-2003, 08:54 PM

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France is a nation with only the faintest regard for the rights of other sovereign powers.

According to Bush "the problem with the French is they don't have a word for entrepreneur."

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Those bombs -- exploded as far from mainland French soil as it is possible to get --

So were the ones in Japan: Hiroshima and Nagasaki

choclady · #23 02-18-2003, 08:54 PM

mike, leave it. she might not know where zimbabwe is or whats going on there

*choc smack herself for stereotyping americans again*

Mousebounce · #24 02-18-2003, 09:20 PM

*Mouse gives Choc. a smack too....just to remind her not to stereotype*

:P

Mike McRock · #25 02-18-2003, 09:21 PM

lol/; I love Tom's quote, I remember being in hysterics when I first read that one!

It's nice to see people are agreeing with me!

I'd argue that it's not about the war on terrorism... Your right, I don't think that's what the polititions are fighting for, but it is what they are rallying the people behind. This war is going to be about oil, and power, But, the propaganda will say it's about morrals, and terrorism. Propaganda will play a vital part in the war, and will effect everybody's views on the war. Everybody who has posted here has been subjected to propaganda, and the differences in opinions really come from what propaganda you believe, and what you don't. The fact that atrocities have taken place under Sadam's government, will be used by Bush, they're the reason America will be able to entre into the war (i.e public support), but not the reason that Bush is doing it....

That's assuming Bush does anything for a reason.... you kinda think sometimes he tries not to think....you can't blame the guy, nobody likes headachs!!!!

Also, I was hucked on the idea that Saddam isn't in charge, that he died shortly after the Gulf war, and he's been used as a figure head for his regime ever since.... If this was the case, you coulnd't remove Saddam, he will always exist, and as he rally's public loyalty, you couldn't turn his people on him. Very much like Big Brother in 1984.... This would protect the leaders of the regime, and make Saddam omething they can really controle... they want a martre, they kill him, they want to give the people success, they show Saddam, in all his glory..... A nice theory hey? I know, complete rubish, it's very unlikely, but it still hangs a ? or what it is we're fighting against!

Also, being a dictator, Saddam will protect himself, no matter how many people he kills. Backing somebody like that into a corner is increadiby dangerous, and could provide us with proof of exactly what weapons Saddam has!

letitrock · #26 02-18-2003, 09:24 PM

exactly you can only kill a martyr once

Jovi2003 · #27 02-19-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by krb102

So it's kind of a 'with us or against us' attitude eh? It's people like you that make others think that the American government=the American public.

Um, maybe you should read the title of the topic? This is taken from a foreign newspaper. I didn't ever say I was in agreement with all of it. Just giving some perspective, that's all. Isn't that allowed if it doesn't agree with yours? How narrow minded of you.

Jovi2003 · #28 02-19-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by choclady

mike, leave it. she might not know where zimbabwe is or whats going on there

*choc smack herself for stereotyping americans again*

Dear, you contradict yourself constantly and talk in circles. You have no clear point except that there may or may not be WMD involved. And you think I don't know what I'm talking about? I think you fall into that American stereotype rather nicely yourself.

Jovi2003 · #29 02-19-2003, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Germany is promoting a viable peaceful option that will result in far less blood shed

Whose blood shed, America's or Saddam's? I find it quite interesting how Saddam's atrocities just fly over everyone's heads like it is not important.

krb102 · #30 02-19-2003, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jovi2003

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Originally Posted by Mike

Germany is promoting a viable peaceful option that will result in far less blood shed

Whose blood shed, America's or Saddam's? I find it quite interesting how Saddam's atrocities just fly over everyone's heads like it is not important.

America's atrocities fly over Americans heads courtesy of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and the high quality Fox News.

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