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By GARDINER HARRIS

Published: June 2, 2004


HOENIX, June 1 — In the midst of a worldwide debate on whether depressed children should be treated with antidepressant drugs like Prozac, a landmark government-financed study has found that Prozac helps teenagers overcome depression far better than talk therapy. But a combination of the two treatments, the study found, produced the best result.

The study, sponsored by the National Institute of Mental Health, was the first to compare psychotherapy and drug treatment for depressed adolescents. Statistically, the researchers found, talk therapy — in which a patient discusses problems with a therapist — was by itself no more effective in reducing the depression than treatment with placebos. But when combined with drug treatment, psychotherapy appeared to provide added benefit and to reduce the risk of suicide.

The findings are likely to reassure psychiatrists, pediatricians and others who increasingly prescribe antidepressants to teenagers and children. Millions of young people take the drugs.

Experts said that the study was notable for its size and for the fact that it was carried out without financing by drug manufacturers. Data on the effects of antidepressants in adolescents is in short supply. Most studies of the question have been small trials sponsored by pharmaceutical companies and have failed to show that the drugs are effective for depressed teenagers.

"This study should put to rest doubts about whether these drugs work in teenagers with severe depression," said Dr. Graham Emslie, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and an author of the study, which was presented here on Tuesday at a meeting of psychiatric drug researchers.

Still, the findings are unlikely to resolve the controversy over whether Prozac and similar drugs lead a small number of teenagers and children to become suicidal.

Such concerns led the Food and Drug Administration to warn earlier this year that patients taking the drugs should be watched closely for signs of suicide or other harmful behavior in the first weeks of therapy. The agency is reanalyzing suicidal events that occurred during drug-company trials of antidepressants in children and teenagers. British drug regulators have banned the use of all but Prozac in those younger than 18.

The government study, called the Treatment for Adolescents with Depression Study, involved 439 youths ages 12 to 17 who were suffering from moderate to severe depression.

The adolescents were randomly assigned to be treated for a period of 36 weeks with either Prozac, the antidepressant drug made by Eli Lilly & Company; a form of talk therapy known as cognitive behavioral therapy; placebo pills; or a combination of Prozac and talk therapy.

The researchers collected data on the subjects for a year, but have only analyzed information from the first 12 weeks so far. Of the youths recruited for the study, 378 completed the first 12 weeks of treatment. Their mean age was 15. Depression levels were measured using several common psychological scales.

Using one measurement scale, the researchers found that after 12 weeks, 71 percent of the subjects who received Prozac and talk therapy responded well to treatment, compared with 61 percent of those who received Prozac alone, 43 percent of who received talk therapy alone and 35 percent of those who received a placebo treatment. By another measure, talk therapy alone fared no better than treatment with placebos.

The researchers also found that patients became significantly less suicidal, no matter which treatment they were given. No patient committed suicide during the trial. But the risk of a suicide attempt among the patients given Prozac was twice that of those who did not, the study found. There were five suicide attempts among those given Prozac and just one among other participants.

Dr. John March, a professor of psychiatry at Duke University and the study's lead investigator, said that the findings showed Prozac's benefits for depressed teenagers and children far outweighed its risks. "The take-home message is that these adverse events are extremely rare,'' he said.

Dr. March acknowledged, however, that the controversy about suicide and antidepressant therapy was far from resolved. "We're all holding our breath to see what the F.D.A. is going to do,'' he said.

Psychologists, who are often the providers of talk therapy and who cannot prescribe drugs, are likely to be disappointed in the finding that cognitive behavioral therapy was found to be little better than a sugar pill. A recent major trial comparing drugs with talk therapy in children with attention-deficit disorder also showed that the drugs worked better.

But the findings of another study presented on Tuesday suggest that for some conditions, talk therapy may be more effective than antidepressants. That study compared cognitive behavioral therapy with Zoloft, an antidepressant similar to Prozac that is made by Pfizer, in teenagers who suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder. Those who received the talk therapy, the study found, improved more than those who were treated with the drug.

Dr. Thomas Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, said he was pleased the results of the depression study were so clear. The institute spent $17 million over six years financing the trial. "The most striking thing about the study is that, in all groups, there was a dramatic decrease in the amount of suicidal thinking,'' he said, suggesting that all the therapies were protective.

Dr. David Brent, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh not involved with the study, suggested that another form of talk therapy called interpersonal therapy might have fared better than cognitive behavioral therapy.

In interpersonal therapy, clinicians focus on a patient's relationships with peers and family members and the way they see themselves. In cognitive behavioral therapy, clinicians teach patients to try to think more positively and do things that make them happy.

Dr. Brent said it was good news that drugs produced better results than talk therapy "because it's hard to get people into cognitive therapy anymore. They just don't want to take the time.''

The researchers said they plan to publish the preliminary results of the study this summer, with further analyses later.

Dr. Insel said that the most useful information from the study is yet to come. "We need to know which treatments work best for what kinds of kids and who may be the most vulnerable to the side effects,'' he said. Those sorts of answers would come from more data analysis, he said.

"We're going to get a lot out of this study that the public really needs to know right now,'' Dr. Insel said.




This is scary I don't think prozac is the right way, especially not for teenagers!
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Its funny, our grandparents (heck our parents too) didn't have a quarter of their generation doped up, and they turned out just fine. No mass suicides, no mass depression. I wonder how they ever made it.

Personally, I think those that would dose children with Luvox and Prozac need to be dosed themselves for partaking in behavior management, Soviet-style.

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Its funny, our grandparents (heck our parents too) didn't have a quarter of their generation doped up, and they turned out just fine. No mass suicides, no mass depression. I wonder how they ever made it.

Personally, I think those that would dose children with Luvox and Prozac need to be dosed themselves for partaking in behavior management, Soviet-style.

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Because back in the day kids actually had a family. It is a lot different now then it was back then. Not that I am agreeing with this study, as I don't think drugging kids up is the answer either. But looking at my students now, they have a lot more problems than I ever had.
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Its funny, our grandparents (heck our parents too) didn't have a quarter of their generation doped up, and they turned out just fine. No mass suicides, no mass depression. I wonder how they ever made it.

Personally, I think those that would dose children with Luvox and Prozac need to be dosed themselves for partaking in behavior management, Soviet-style.

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Because back in the day kids actually had a family. It is a lot different now then it was back then. Not that I am agreeing with this study, as I don't think drugging kids up is the answer either. But looking at my students now, they have a lot more problems than I ever had.
I agree. But I am totally against these drugs (although in very rare cases there is probably no other way). Still I think it's quite scary how easily drugs and medications are available nowadays
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Its funny, our grandparents (heck our parents too) didn't have a quarter of their generation doped up, and they turned out just fine. No mass suicides, no mass depression. I wonder how they ever made it.

Personally, I think those that would dose children with Luvox and Prozac need to be dosed themselves for partaking in behavior management, Soviet-style.

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Because back in the day kids actually had a family. It is a lot different now then it was back then. Not that I am agreeing with this study, as I don't think drugging kids up is the answer either. But looking at my students now, they have a lot more problems than I ever had.
I agree. But I am totally against these drugs (although in very rare cases there is probably no other way). Still I think it's quite scary how easily drugs and medications are available nowadays
Sometimes it is necessary like you said, but sometimes parents use drugs to take the place of actually parenting their children. I don't know if that makes sense, but you are right as it is sad and scary.
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anti depressants are bad karma man. once they wear off its just big nasty mood swings all the way. I had an ex on them for several reasons and it was horrible.
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anti depressants are bad karma man. once they wear off its just big nasty mood swings all the way. I had an ex on them for several reasons and it was horrible.
and what do you think she would have been like without anti-depressants at all????
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while I don't think kids should be medicated as a first try, I would rather have them on prozac (or one of the many better alternatives) then have them turn to illegal drugs.

Unfortunately, illegal drugs are a form of self-medication and if those drugs are more accepted or easier to come by you'll have your teenagers sniffing glue. A much more dangerous form of medication.
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anti depressants are bad karma man. once they wear off its just big nasty mood swings all the way. I had an ex on them for several reasons and it was horrible.
and what do you think she would have been like without anti-depressants at all????
she'd have beena miserable cow all the time but it's better that than havign her fine one minute then without any warnign havign her want to throw plates at your head.
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Interesting article!

I have suffered some sort of phobia for years. I've had several therapies and medications. At a moment the doctor prescribed me Zoloft (never been on Prozac) but that turned out bad on me (funny to see that the results of the tests were also not so good!). After that, I got the less "heavier" medicine Seroxat.

Like the article says: the best treatment is a combination of medicines and therapy. That worked great for me. I don't think I could have managed it without the medication because it is not all psychological. Every person produces a certain substance in his brain to get calmer when there is much adrenaline in your body. My brain cannot produce enough of that substance, so I'm taking pills to fill that up. For example: when you are very nervous, that substance makes sure that you can handle the situation without driving crazy. It handles the nerves. But when you don't produce enough of the substance, your nerves are going on and on and on and on and that can cause panics and fears etc. It's difficult to explain in English, but I think you get the point.

Jim, you talked about mood swings when people take medications like this. Well I can tell you, that I've never had any mood swing at all (at least not because of the medication). I think every person reacts in a different way. Lots of people are very surprised when they hear that I take medication and that I had therapy etc. They didn't notice anything different about me. And my karma is doing very well
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