Jovitalk - Bon Jovi Fan Community
Home Register Members FAQ
 

Are you better person ONLY ONCE you become a parent??

NBJ - Everything Else


View Poll Results: Are you better person ONLY ONCE you become a parent??
yes 0 0%
no 9 100.00%
Voters: 9. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 02-07-2004, 11:50 PM
eeyore's Avatar
eeyore eeyore is offline
Senior Member
Lay your Posts on Me
 
Join Date: 09 Sep 2002
Location: Georgia
Posts: 771
Default Are you better person ONLY ONCE you become a parent??

Yes or No? Explain....
Over the past few months, I have been getting sick of the constant message from society and the media, that if a woman doesn't have children or want children that something must be wrong with them. I have heard so many comments about me, because at the age of 34, I don't have kids.
I've been called Gay, Selfish and have been told that something must be wrong with me. I've also been told that I will change my mind later and "regret" not having children. Even though even as a child, I knew I didn't want kids. I was never one to play with baby dolls like my friends. Why play with dolls, when I had real horses to ride?

And the message has just gotten worse, I heard someone state, that once you become a parent you want better things for the world. So like us without children could give a rat's ass??? This whole I'm a better person because I have a child thing really gets to me. I'm tired the message that "I'm less of a person because I don't want kids" being pushed in my face.
Yeah, yeah, I'm on a rant. I thought that I was alone in feeling this way.. but found some articles, that say exactly how I feel.
Childless by Choice
by

Cynthia Burgess



Living as I do in the middle of suburbia I am as misplaced as a water lily in the Mojave Desert. I am a woman who has chosen to remain childless. In this land of daycare centers, mini-vans and soccer teams I find myself surrounded by mothers whose schedules revolve, quite naturally, around their children.
When people first hear of my deliberately childless status, it bewilders, dismays or offends them. They mistakenly conclude that I selfishly opted for Caribbean cruises and cocktail parties over the love of a child. Rarely do they understand my choice.
Inevitably, I'm asked to explain my decision. When I do, I'm eyed suspiciously then asked: "Do you hate children?" "Don't you have any maternal instinct?" "Is it a physical problem?" "Don't you want immortality through your kids?" Then they elaborate: "You'll live to regret that decision." "You'll realize your mistake in time, then you can have one or adopt."
I try not to sound like the selfish, unloving egoist they think I am as I explain: Though I like kids, motherhood is not a job I ever wanted, just as I didn't want to become an attorney or a grocery clerk. And no, there is nothing "wrong" with me or my husband, this is simply our decision.
I couldn't envision a child as someone to care for me in old age--a reason for making babies more popular than you might think. Neither could I see a child as a recipient of my worldly possessions or a guarantee of immortality. I believe immortality is more than a matter of biology; each individual must earn immortality in his or her own right.
Early on I knew I didn't want the responsibility or tedium of dragging kids out of bed every day for school, making lunches and chauffeuring them around town to birthday parties and dental appointments. The job description for motherhood did not suit my personality. I also recognized that in this deafening world, I require long stretches of solitude for happiness.
Since every choice in life is a tradeoff, I was aware that no matter which side of the fence I walked, there would be lost opportunities. Thirteen years later, I have no doubt I made the right personal decision.
Our culture values children and sees them as essential to the good life as a big screen TV or a ski vacation. Everyone, down to my best friend's mother, expected me to have kids. Society bombards us with the idea that children are a given. The message is everywhere--from Madison Avenue advertising to weekly television sitcoms, in film and magazines. It's so ingrained in our psyches that it's difficult to imagine other equally fulfilling alternatives.
The notion of remaining childless makes people uneasy. In part, that's because our sense of community is based on our sense of family. When you tell people that children aren't for you, they feel you're threatening society as a whole. It's not easy for them to see it as just a personal choice.
A childless life is seen as incomplete and unfulfilled. However, it is entirely possible for a childless woman to live as fulfilled a life as any mother. There are as many definitions and degrees of fulfillment as there are women, but very simply speaking, if you are satisfied with your life and have achieved happiness, then you are fulfilled.
Some childless women find gratification in a strong marriage. For others, this fullness of life is born of time and energy to pursue personal enthusiasms, achieve career goals or work within the larger family of community. Whatever the means, fulfillment comes with realizing our own human potential.
But fulfillment doesn't necessarily mean a life that's full. How gratified are mothers who juggle hectic family schedules, who run their children from swimming lessons to dance class to gymnastics? Their constant frustration and weariness make me wonder.
Though my daily schedule is radically different from any mother I know, the rest of my life isn't. Yet, I often feel like a social outsider since I'm culturally defined as odd and peripheral because of my divergent choice. I sense a marginality in social situations with other women; women I'm separated from only by the length of an umbilical cord.
Even so, why do I always find myself having to explain that children are not every woman's reason to be? Why must I always justify my life as meaningful when mothers aren't asked to do the same? I've resigned myself to the fact that for at least as long as I'm of childbearing age, I'll be asked to do so--but I suspect I'll be defending my choice for the rest of my life.



Are women without children devalued?


By DIANE GLASS
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Columnist

While inspecting the pink or blue indicator of a pregnancy test, the woman in the commercial is rarely shown wiping perspiration from her forehead, signaling relief. Women are supposed to desire motherhood.
Telling someone you don't want to have children is like burning the American flag. It's your right, but a lot of people hate you for it. After astonishment for your misguided decision, there is sometimes amazement, followed by pity. Yet despite the negative social cues, many women, without apology, are remaining child-free today. These women haven't undergone surgical alteration with penile implants, despite the 'overbearing' opinion that childbearing is requisite entry into womanhood. In fact, more and more women are giving more careful consideration to the prospect of parenting, which is more than many parents do.
Ask a random sampling of parents why they had children. If you don't get a searching look, you may hear a spattering of reasons that include "It just happened" or "It's a piece of immortality." Sounds like a lack of forethought and selfishness, yet we don't criticize parents for their self-centered choices. But we do label child-free women selfish for not choosing motherhood.
This is in despite of the fact that many child-free women base their decision on years of contemplation. That's anything but selfish. As hard as it may be to comprehend, some women do not want to be mothers. These women understand, and hold sacred, the monumental task of mothering well. And don't forget that the woman making that choice ignores the intense social pressure to dive straight into the romantic bliss of ignorance. Since the time we are little girls, we are inculcated into motherhood with Betsy Wetsy dolls, Easy Bake Ovens and Barbie dolls.
You would think that any mother could understand this decision. Parenthood is more than a full-time job; you're only a worker for eight hours a day, but you're a parent all the time. But for many, nonconformity amounts to insurrection, and remaining child-free is seen as a protest when it is just as simple as a choice -- a positive choice. And although many women may not choose to remain child-free, it is not the dreary, solitary life of an old maid.
Having the courage to live a child-free existence takes more than a little endurance and a lot of fortitude. Even those closest to a child-free woman will assume she 'hates' children. Co-workers may assume she is infertile. Others may label her gay. She often must endure these imprecations from her own friends and family. The child-free are met with reactions ranging from bewilderment and pity to outright anger. It's the 'Who do you think you are?' attitude that many people feel when they come across someone who decides to go down another road, less populated.
__________________
If you go to war with yourself
And it’s just you and no one else
Call out to me
Reach out to me
And I’ll be there for you
And even if you lose yourself
I’ll follow you anywhere…

~Apathy "Anywhere"
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old 02-08-2004, 12:16 AM
mreto's Avatar
mreto mreto is offline
Senior Member
Keep the Faith
 
Join Date: 14 Oct 2003
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 845
Default Re: Are you better person ONLY ONCE you become a parent??

Quote:
Originally Posted by eeyore
I've been called Gay, Selfish and have been told that something must be wrong with me.
absurd! (i mean, i don't know you, so these things could be true or could be false, but something's for sure: they don't have anything to do with you wanting kids or not!)

Quote:
Originally Posted by eeyore
I've also been told that I will change my mind later and "regret" not having children.
this could be true of course. but i'm sure there are also people who have kids and regret that afterwards (when they divorce for example, or when they have their first kid at the age of 17 - again not saying that they WILL regret it, but it is POSSIBLE that they will regret it.).

it's like almost everything in your life: is is possible that you will regret it one day. but it is also possible that you will be happy with your decision for the rest of your life!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-08-2004, 12:42 AM
Sambo-Chris's Avatar
Sambo-Chris Sambo-Chris is offline
Moderator
Price of posting
 
Join Date: 29 Jul 2002
Location: Germany
Posts: 6,042
Send a message via ICQ to Sambo-Chris Send a message via MSN to Sambo-Chris
Default

Maybe it is somehow selfish. But isn't it better to don't get kids when you don't want any? You for sure don't do the kids a favor when you as a mother or father are unsatisfied and unhappy.

I only hear sometimes very rarely comments from my parents who would love to become grand parents and both my sister and I don't have kids. But that's it.

I absolutely can't imagine myself as a mother. I never wanted kids and nothing has changed and will change.

Don't give too much about what others say. It's your life and you have to decide how you want to live it.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-08-2004, 02:02 AM
Becky's Avatar
Becky Becky is offline
Retired Super Moderator
Crush
 
Join Date: 30 Jul 2002
Location: Mississippi
Gender: female
Posts: 20,293
Default

I'll let you know after I have a kid.

Right now I'm mostly content to be single and childless because I know I'm too selfish to make the sacrifice of time it would take to be a parent. I think a good parent is less selfish because they do put their kids first. But being a parent doesn't mean you're a good parent. You can have kids and still be completely self absorbed.

Becky
__________________
Life is short. Be sure to spend as much time as possible on the internet arguing about politics and entertainment.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-08-2004, 02:09 AM
Tashjbj's Avatar
Tashjbj Tashjbj is offline
Killer Queen
Slippery When Wet
 
Join Date: 30 Jul 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Age: 48
Gender: female
Posts: 25,076
Default

If you're not a good person without kids then you won't be with. I personally don't want kids, maybe it is selfish, but I cannot imagine myself as a mother or being a child's sole support. I think that you should only have children if you are completely ready and definitely want them.

Tash
__________________


Well it ain't no secret
I've been around a time or two
Well I don't know baby maybe you've been around too
Well there's another dance
all you gotta do is say yes
And if you're rough and ready for love
honey I'm tougher than the rest
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-08-2004, 02:31 AM
spunkywho's Avatar
spunkywho spunkywho is offline
Senior Member
This Post Feels Right
 
Join Date: 05 Sep 2003
Location: seattle
Age: 51
Gender: female
Posts: 13,849
Default

you are a better person once you don't fall into the trap society puts on you and you do what YOU think is best for YOU.

If you are not already a good person you should certainly NOT have kids. I don't think I was any worse of a person before I gave birth.

Don't pay any attention to statements like that. Only people who didn't have the guts to stand up for their believes and fell into the traps society layed out for them come up with crap like that.

I know too many parents that had children because "it is the thing to do" and shows that "you made it". Now they are neglecting their kids because they miss their independent travels - I find that despiciable.
__________________
Why won’t you say something now
Don’t leave me hanging
Cut me down
I miss the fire that was once in your eyes
Well come on and say something now
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-08-2004, 01:44 PM
Neurotica80 Neurotica80 is offline
Senior Member
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: 30 Nov 2002
Age: 41
Gender: female
Posts: 26,849
Default

Its not selfish to not want children, if anything I think its more selfish to have them if you dont really want them.

I work for a housing office where I get 16/17/18 year old girls with a kid another one on the way coming in looking for a flat. If you ask me, its selfish to get knocked up again when you cant even afford the first one you have and youve no where to live.

I work with women who are married and they have no intention of ever having kids. It might be a generalisation, but they look younger than the people I know who have kids, they certainly have more money and appear less stressed. Im not saying il never have kids, but I definitely wont be losing any sleep over it if I dont.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-08-2004, 02:17 PM
Keeper's Avatar
Keeper Keeper is offline
Wish for Wings
Blaze of Posting
 
Join Date: 03 Oct 2003
Location: Elsewhere
Age: 40
Gender: female
Posts: 9,361
Default

I think it's all one's choice on how they want to live their lives. Having or not having children is definitely not a trait of one's personality being better or worse!

I think some parents should have considered having children instead of having them just because (or by accident). And I don't think they're any better because they have children! Quite the opposite in fact!

Having a child is a very important step, and should be thought about very carefully. It's not a decision others can make for you. And I can't see what's wrong with not wanting them.
__________________
But life is a battle: may we all be enabled to fight it well!

- Charlotte Brontë.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-08-2004, 05:04 PM
Jag's Avatar
Jag Jag is offline
Senior Member
Destination any Forum
 
Join Date: 31 Jul 2002
Location: By God's Side
Posts: 3,899
Default

hard to say i think only ppl on the outside can tell me whether im a better person or not for taking up to 2 children.
__________________


There are people dancing on what
they perceive to be our grave
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11.
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.