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Old 05-09-2003, 09:57 AM
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i wouldn't say women like to be dominated by men but the majority of men are physically and mentally stronger than women. there are women that are stronger than men but they're few and far between.
Your right, but if ur stronger then women in every way you defnetly dominate them don't u?. They won't admit but that what happens.
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i wouldn't say women like to be dominated by men but the majority of men are physically and mentally stronger than women. there are women that are stronger than men but they're few and far between.
Your right, but if ur stronger then women in every way you defnetly dominate them don't u?. They won't admit but that what happens.
Physical strength does not equal mental strength, and while men are physically bigger and stronger, it does not mean then are that mentally. In fact, I think it's fair to say that women are stronger mentally, in so many respects. And I don't think dominance has got anything to do with it. Is almost as if you're saying women are becoming more and more equal because the men allow them to? Or maybe I just read you wrong.

And yes, men have more of the higher positions, better wages etc. but it's
changing. Gradually and slowly but it's changing.

And as for arranged marriages, from what I understand it's not only the women who are "sold out", it's also the men. The arrangement is made between families, and both the man and the woman are in the same situation. I couldn't do that myself, but I do see why in some cultures it is done.
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Old 05-09-2003, 11:04 AM
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It may sound very strange, but most of these marrages are very succesful. Althoug i prefer Love marrage, I do not rule out the arrrange one.
I think arrangements fir really well to some cultures, like in India. In western countries, the so called "love" marriages tend to break, I think the percentage is almost 50 nowadays. Besides, when there lives almost 1000 million people in a country, it's quite difficult for you to find "the one". Arrangements make it so much easyer. Diseaces (sex) won't be spread so rapidly, like they do in west.

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I'm sure it is part of certain cultures, but no, I do not agree with it. I believe we should all have the freedom to choose our own partners and how can someone else tell me who I should marry? I'm the one who has to live with the person and maybe I don't like him.
And how many times do you hear people say they fell in love to wrong person? Even married the wrong person? When the marriage is arranged, you basicly don't have a choice (Mike wrote later that you still get to know the person first for 4 months), and that lets the love take place by time. That lets the people to "grow" together. This is what I truly believe. I know it's hard for us to think WE could be married to some stranger, as our culture is what it is. But if we didn't know otherwise, we would have a lot less of "love problems". But then again, there would be much less love songs. And lot less BJ songs... hmm...

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I honestly can't believe that in this day and age this still happens. I think it is degrading to the woman and it assumes that women have no right or capability to decide for themselves.
Do you honestly think that you have? You desperately fall to someone, goodlooking, funny, smart person who likes the same things you do and really "gets" you, understands you. And then proposes you. You have swore to love him forever and ever even before that moment, and he has done the same. At this moment, you really don't have a choice, do you? And yet, you can't predict the future. What if it fails after a few years anyway? He wants someone else? You finds someone even more interesting? You find that he isn't after all all that exiting? He dies? You jsut go on and try to find a new one? Is it a replacement then? Is it right to the new guy then? There are just so many things (here only a few) that are solved by arrangements. In arraned marriages, I think, it's also easier to believe that he/she is the one for you, like we westerns like to emphasize the meaning of "the one", which is just bogus.

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Im sure that most of the time, that love does come into the picture - it just must be so hard at first to get use to the idea of getting married when you are so young...
I know it is for me! These are big things that deserve some real conversation, I think.

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Old 05-09-2003, 11:06 AM
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i wouldn't say women like to be dominated by men but the majority of men are physically and mentally stronger than women. there are women that are stronger than men but they're few and far between.
Women ARE mentally stronger than men. Let's face it, child birth??? :P Anyway, the majority of men go off to work each day to earn a living, while the women go off to work and also hold the fort at home. They are the ones who tend to deal more with the kids, cleaning, cooking, etc. Now this isn't in all cases of course, but women are the one's who tend to keep the household running smoothly. So, women are much better at multi-tasking, which requires being stronger mentally.
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all stereotypes, and i've always had to be mentally stronger than most of my family for various reasons

strength has nothing to do with it (mentally or phsically) in most countries now (W. world) for there are no/few restrictions on liberty - it's all down to choice

a man has the choice to run the household and let the woman work, just as the woman has the choice to accept it

usually it's just finance and the need to sustain the household economy that prevents this

a woman has the choice to build-up in the gym

choice = freedom unrestricted from constraints.
necessity rarely = choice. It is usually prudence that influences the choices we make.

i would like to dispell a myth also - figures saying women earn only 80% of men today. that's true at face value but other factors play into this and there is more equality (certainly in our country) than others would like to admit... especially as we are more and more moving into a service economy (we're already there but we're concentrating further on it).
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unfortunely, the difference of salary between men and women still exists. That's why, very often, the man is the one who works, if both in the couple decide one is going to work and the other one will stay at home with the kids for exemple.
Men are stronger than women, but not superior, that's true ... maybe only hormonal thing
For the arranged marriage, it's sure, in some cultures, it's the way they do it, out of question to think differently, but it's true that in some countries things are sometimes .... how could i say that ? ... don't want to say horrible ... but we all heard stories about young wifes who were burned alive, or young girls who were married by force, kidnaped etc ...
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Come on let's not say arranged marriages are better than the other type JUST because divorce rates are high. So what!?!? It's still your choice after all to find a person for yourself and then if you're not compatible, fine, it will only be your/their fault. I thought a potentially bad free choice was still better than a potentially "good" constriction. But maybe I was wrong
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I suppose arranged marriages are alright - i mean, if its a part of someones cuture, I cant do anything about it. It is their culture. Just like how Americans eat cows. We dont all eat cows, but no one starts telling them that eating cows is the right way. And I know cows isnt anything up to the standards of living with someone for the rest of your life - cows just popped in my head, and I cant find a more better arguement (no matter how corny cows really are..).
The cows thing is ok (unless you're talking to an animalist but that's another story :P ) but a line has to be drawn somwhere. Slavery was a "tradition" until 150 years ago, why is it no more? Sexual (female of course) mutilations are still a "tradition" in some countries, but I can't really think of them as "traditions". It's prevarication in disguise to me. Everyone can learn from others, that's what makes progress
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