[Kev]

Originally Posted by Keeper

Do you need to have that thread split but left right in that forum for everyone to see? You discussed with the guy, you say he got what he deserved so the purpose (if any) of it all was done with. There was no point in keeping the thread - split - there as a model of JT namecalling and pointless arguments.

Exactly.

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by Kev

As i mentioned above, whether the person was offended or not, its still not language that should be used on Jovitalk,

You don't get my point at all. The name calling rule is there so that people don't get offended. If a person is not offended when name calling starts to appear, the rule should not be used since it's not there for that sort of situations.

Originally Posted by Kev

therefore we are asked to take action to threads which are uncalled for like the one in question.

And it's not like anyone asked you to take action in that thread now is it?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[StoneDeaf]

Once again, no offence intended.

but.

U mods involved in this matter discussed are just damn whimps. Always hiding behind each other's back & referring to "team decisions". I haven't seen any mod taking any responsibility on any of these lame actions the allmighty mod-team performs.

Problem seems to be that you take actions towards *certain* people, not everyone. For example, bashing Gaz seemed to evolve into national sport over here, I didn't notice mods complaining about it.

[Kev]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

And it's not like anyone asked you to take action in that thread now is it?

Nobody 'asked' for us to take action, no. As a group, we decided it was best. Nobody has to ask us to take action. If we feel that something should be done, then it is up to us, not anybody else.

There are times, when some things are best left , and if we recieve any complaints about something, THEN we can act upon it. This was not one of those circumstances though.

Originally Posted by Supersonic

You don't get my point at all. The name calling rule is there so that people don't get offended. If a person is not offended when name calling starts to appear, the rule should not be used since it's not there for that sort of situations.

I can see where you are coming from, but it is all about 'inapropriate language' being used, which is completely uncalled for. If anyone is offended or not, we chose to make these decisions in the best interests of the board. We cant please everyone all the time.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Keeper

Do you need to have that thread split but left right in that forum for everyone to see?

Why would it have to be in the same forum? You could've just moved it to NBJ. It's not hard, reallt.

You discussed with the guy, you say he got what he deserved so the purpose (if any) of it all was done with. There was no point in keeping the thread - split - there as a model of JT namecalling and pointless arguments.

So, not only do you delete posts, now you get to decide wheater or not a discussion is good or not.

Ice

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by StoneDeaf

Problem seems to be that you take actions towards *certain* people, not everyone. For example, bashing Gaz seemed to evolve into national sport over here, I didn't notice mods complaining about it.

No, you see, the mods get to do what ever they please. If THEY decide it's okay to bash Gaz, then anyone can do it. But THEY get to choose. They also choose if you're allowed to speak or not. If they decide your posts aren't as good as they should be, they're going to delete them.

Ice

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Kev

The issue is why the thread got locked in the first place, and like we have said it was for namecalling and namecalling only.

It wasn't locked, it was deleted.

Whether the recipient of the namecalling was offended or not, that does not give the right to any user to start namecalling in the first place. It isnt appropriate for the board, therefore it was locked.

Then why now? I've been called far worse names in the past and no one deleted posts then. Now, when a sad backstabber starts calling us names, all the posts get deleted and all other discussions about it get locked. Looks like someone's on a power trip.

Ice

[StoneDeaf]

buttstager started to offend people personally. people defended themselves a bit. mod on powertrip deleted all of it. question is, who's kissing who's butt? in the past regulars here were allowed to talk back at buttstagers and their way of posting and shite. now argument didn't even heat up before it got wiped out. Somehow that gives me the feeling that our mods have been replaced by buttstagers.

u know, Kev, the idea of u & ur modding buddies deciding whos allowed to talk about what sounds like 5-year-olds at sandbox. You're the toughest kid on the block and you just have to show it. and show it again. and again. I suppose everyone here already knows that you are closest thing to god allmighty when it comes to JT (I guess that applies to whole team of urs). So give it a rest, let people argue things out if that's what they choose to do. The way things are going, I'm afraid it doesn't take long until mods start deleting posts with typos in 'em cos them posts aren't appropriate.

I always had the impression that mods are around for the board, not the other way around. And don't even throw this back as "we are here for the board's good" cos it just ain't so.

power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Bleeding Purist]

Yeesh.....

I ain't got time to read through all of this and properly comment on it right now cuz I gotta run to work. For now, just let it be known that I agree with the general consensus and I'm not the only Mod who feels this way, so this painting the Mod team with broad strokes ain't accurate. At least 3 of us are in agreement with the general board population.

I'm sure by the time I get back to this it will be 10 pages long.

[Becky]

I noticed Ice's post in the Announcement forum before coming over here. I think it could be a good thing to have a board policy posted. But that's really up to Peter moreso than anyone else. No one wants Dry County to be percieved as a police state. That's one reason we don't have a list of rules posted. However, it's become obvious that people refuse to follow the very few rules that we do have. We've tried telling people via PMs when they go against the rules, but some keep doing it anyway and some come in not knowing.

Childish and malicious name-calling has been edited for ages. Maybe some of you haven't noticed that, but it's been done for years. The Trash forum is full of posts that have been split for that reason too. The problem with splitting a thread for a single post is that every post made after that thread gets sent with the one before it to the trash. The post that was trashed this morning had gotten to the point where it was decided that it would be more effective to trash it than to edit it. Sometimes it's decided that it's better to trash something before it gets totally out of hand when that's where it's obviously headed. It's like putting out the flame before it turns into a blaze.

I don't think anyone on the mod team feels all-powerful and infallible. We're here to do the best for the board. Rarely is a topic closed, locked, or split without discussion if it's not an obvious no-no.

But we're not your mothers either. So when a thread gets to the point where it's full of childish name calling, we're not going to go back and edit all the individual posts in question. If you find a better way to effectively phrase yourself without resorting to names, then it won't be an issue. There isn't a mod on 24 hours a day and sometimes one is on who posts a issue to be discussed and it's a while before enough weigh in to come to a concensus. Kev's not lying to anyone when he says the team acts as a team.

Becky