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our belief here in America that we should have left all of you to rot under the approaching imperial banner of Nazi Germany 60 years ago.


(thats funny, I seem to remember Britain resisting Germanys invasion plans on her own...(with a little help from 3 canadian squadrons and polish squadron..)
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According to a new survey, 7 in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks. Seven in ten! And that’s even with the Bush administration admitting they have no evidence of Iraq’s involvement –
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and the fact that one day a man will just be a normal man, worthy of no notice, then the next they will cheer clap and worship him like hes some form of god and swear their undying allegiance to him..

Im talking of course about the President
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We all know the yanks arent good at geography, history, democracy, culture, dieting, football, subtlety
you are joking right? Not even you could be that ignorant/insensible/rude and distasteful.

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According to a new survey, 7 in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks. Seven in ten! And that’s even with the Bush administration admitting they have no evidence of Iraq’s involvement –
you are not getting the "poll discussion above do you?" - hm, you may when you get to it in college.

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and the fact that one day a man will just be a normal man, worthy of no notice, then the next they will cheer clap and worship him like hes some form of god and swear their undying allegiance to him..

Im talking of course about the President
who is "they"????
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Old 11-28-2003, 06:30 AM
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You're right.
But for me it's not Bush that makes me think a lot of Americans might be ignorants. It's more things like these:

- US congress voting to rename "French Fries" "Belgian Fries" because of our position about Iraq, when fries are actually Belgian in the first place and have never been considered french by the french themselves. I really had a good laugh at that one.
- I had a US pen pal that came to visit me in France in 1995 and she was amazed that we had video tape recorders and actually knew how to use them. She was also surprised that the toilets were not in the backyard.
- I was speaking with a guy from Alabama, same age as me, on another forum and believe it or not, he actually ignored where was Canada.
- Everytime I see a hollywood blockbuster movie (ie Armagedon) and there's a part that takes place in France, they still show the 1960's clichés.


I could go on...

Now I'm not generalising this, I know there are some smart people too, I can see it on this board (I won't give names ) but it really isn't good publicity.

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So you know some weird and uneducated people? Gratulations. I am sure you would find plenty of them in your own backyard.

- A good portion of the people I know in Germany don't have a computer at home - this is 2003.
- Most people in Germany have no clue how long it takes to fly from New York to LA. - that would be basic geography in my books.
- People hear Washington and think it is Washington DC.
- Most people outside the US could not point to California/New York/Chicago on a map (and I am picking the obvious ones)
- This German girl moves to Oklahoma and is absolutely shocked that it wasn't exactly what she thought it would be. After all, she's been to New York, thus considered herself an expert about 'America'.
- We had a guy at work 'imported' from Germany, he brought a coffemaker and bean-coffee, cause he has heard there was only instant coffee in the US.
- There is a couple that lives down the road, they are from Germany. As her daughter was ready to start Kindergarten, the mother kept complaining that she wanted to go back to Germany, cause her daughter cannot possibly start elementary school in the US. After all the school system is soooo bad. She did send her daughter to Kindergarten here and when she went back, her daughter was bumped to second grade, cause she was too advanced. what aweful schoool.
- People tell me that Americans (whatever that means) are very superficial and are not capable of developing relationships. After probing them, they back it up by saying that Americans have this generic phrase of "how are you", a phrase they ask everyone. Yet, noone cares about the answer. Well, this is just a phrase, a polite thing to say. Other cultures may say "hello" instead - big freakin' deal.
- There was this girl from Europe I knew. She came to this country illegally, was borderline criminal, supported herself through prostitution and finally ended up in jail before she was shipped back to London. I guess that is how they do it in Europe ....

I could come up with endless examples of stuff like that. Idiots and ignorants live everywhere. You prove yourself among them if you take them at facevalue and start spreading the bias.

Have you lived in the US? For anyone who has not lived in the US for at least 1 year should not even step up and make a generalized comment. If doing so nonetheless, the person speaks in ignorance.
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:17 AM
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You're right.
But for me it's not Bush that makes me think a lot of Americans might be ignorants. It's more things like these:

- US congress voting to rename "French Fries" "Belgian Fries" because of our position about Iraq, when fries are actually Belgian in the first place and have never been considered french by the french themselves. I really had a good laugh at that one.
- I had a US pen pal that came to visit me in France in 1995 and she was amazed that we had video tape recorders and actually knew how to use them. She was also surprised that the toilets were not in the backyard.
- I was speaking with a guy from Alabama, same age as me, on another forum and believe it or not, he actually ignored where was Canada.
- Everytime I see a hollywood blockbuster movie (ie Armagedon) and there's a part that takes place in France, they still show the 1960's clichés.


I could go on...

Now I'm not generalising this, I know there are some smart people too, I can see it on this board (I won't give names ) but it really isn't good publicity.

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So you know some weird and uneducated people? Gratulations. I am sure you would find plenty of them in your own backyard.

- A good portion of the people I know in Germany don't have a computer at home - this is 2003.
- Most people in Germany have no clue how long it takes to fly from New York to LA. - that would be basic geography in my books.
- People hear Washington and think it is Washington DC.
- Most people outside the US could not point to California/New York/Chicago on a map (and I am picking the obvious ones)
- This German girl moves to Oklahoma and is absolutely shocked that it wasn't exactly what she thought it would be. After all, she's been to New York, thus considered herself an expert about 'America'.
- We had a guy at work 'imported' from Germany, he brought a coffemaker and bean-coffee, cause he has heard there was only instant coffee in the US.
- There is a couple that lives down the road, they are from Germany. As her daughter was ready to start Kindergarten, the mother kept complaining that she wanted to go back to Germany, cause her daughter cannot possibly start elementary school in the US. After all the school system is soooo bad. She did send her daughter to Kindergarten here and when she went back, her daughter was bumped to second grade, cause she was too advanced. what aweful schoool.
- People tell me that Americans (whatever that means) are very superficial and are not capable of developing relationships. After probing them, they back it up by saying that Americans have this generic phrase of "how are you", a phrase they ask everyone. Yet, noone cares about the answer. Well, this is just a phrase, a polite thing to say. Other cultures may say "hello" instead - big freakin' deal.
- There was this girl from Europe I knew. She came to this country illegally, was borderline criminal, supported herself through prostitution and finally ended up in jail before she was shipped back to London. I guess that is how they do it in Europe ....

I could come up with endless examples of stuff like that. Idiots and ignorants live everywhere. You prove yourself among them if you take them at facevalue and start spreading the bias.

Have you lived in the US? For anyone who has not lived in the US for at least 1 year should not even step up and make a generalized comment. If doing so nonetheless, the person speaks in ignorance.
Read the end of my post again before advising me not to generalise. I know all americans (citizens of the US) are not that dumb.
I meant no offense. I know there are stupid people everywhere, stupidity maybe the only thing equally shared between the different people of the world.
I'm just saying that these weird experiences with ignorant people (and my first example was about US congress members, which I guess are supposed to be some sort of educated elite) doubled with an as wierd and ignorant leader is very worrying when the country in question is the most powerfull one on earth.
Maybe I'm wrong to explain the situation referring to intelligence. Maybe it's an information difference. Now here is a generalisation: I might be wrong but I really think that people in North America (I'll extend this to Canada) are a lot more "centered" on their own country and have less access to information coming from the rest of the world. It's not an intelligence thing, it's just that the media in the US and Canada report a lot less on foreign matters than European Media.
For example I can assure you that when french leaders do something that seems slightly wrong to another country, we hear about it. Tony Blair could whisper an insult to Lichstenstein, we'd hear about it. Until 9/11 a lot people in the US did not even have a clue that a big part of the rest of the world could actually dislike or even hate them, as they didn't, and Bush supporters still don't, have a clue about US foreign politics. Didn't it take such horrific events to open some eyes? I'm not saying everyone was blind till 8/11, but that after the events some people had access to some info they hadn't before 9/11. Information that sort of broke the myth of allmighty America being the universe's warranty for freedom and human rights.

I'd just like to clarify one thing to some people on this thread and board: when I say a country sucks in some way or another, it doesn't mean mine doesn't. I'm very well aware of my country's good and bad sides.

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actually those are very valid criticisms of the american people,


anyway, the yanks are alright really..they mean well
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you are not getting the "poll discussion above do you?" - hm, you may when you get to it in college.

college? whats that all about then...Im at University..
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actually those are very valid criticisms of the american people,
Actually, those are very valid criticisms of ALL people, American or not.
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- Most people in Germany have no clue how long it takes to fly from New York to LA. - that would be basic geography in my books.
- Most people outside the US could not point to California/New York/Chicago on a map (and I am picking the obvious ones)
So u could tell me how long it takes to fly from Berlin to Dusseldorf??

Also - can u look at a map of England & point out Liverpool, Newcastle & Bristol?
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