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Originally Posted by Iceman
No, I'm not proving your point, you are.
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This will go back and forth forever. Let's move along now.
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To make it easier on yourself. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. You're not gonna find Bush-lovers on this board, and with most of us from Europe, your anti-Europe attitude won't help either.
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Now this made me laugh. All Americans do on this board is take the heat. If you think this is a "rough" topic...well, ok. Maybe to you, it is. Anti-American attitudes are acceptable here because this is a "European" board, but anti-European attitudes are not. How hypocritical. And how European.
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Well, that tells a lot about you and your friends. I'm glad not everyone is like you. You've got a lot to learn about the world and how it works.
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ROTFL. Ice, a majority of this country feels this way. Not only me and my "friends." Recent polls suggest that Americans would be against us going in and cleaning up the messes made by Europe in the future. The west is divided now as never before. Where we will continue getting stronger, Europe will grow weaker with it's leaders France and Germany in danger of economic collapse. The social welfare system is bankrupting those countries and with an aging population it will only get worse. I read that by 2020 the majority of the population in France will be Muslims.
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Oh, and did you forget your discussion about " morally and ethically corrupt" leaders. Couldn't find any?
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You're kidding me, right? We could start with let's say Jacques Chirac and his oil contracts with Iraq totalling 100 billion dollars if Saddam was to stay in power. How about France and Germany refusing to give any money for the Iraq reconstruction, yet they wanted Iraqi reconstruction contracts and are fond voicing their concern over the "welfare" of the Iraqi people. The EU can't even get their own countries to follow EU rules. That includes the Big 2: France and Germany.
Europe's defense is courtesy of the US taxpayers. Our military which is stationed there negates the need for Europe to have it's own defense system other than the UK. Europe is responsible for starting the biggest wars in history, but that is another topic all together. If Bush is re-elected, the American military stationed in Europe and South Korea are predicted to be pulled out and finally brought home. That should make most of you happy at least. You will finally be able to function on your own.
I can't say anything about Finland. Finland was the only country to pay us back for the money we gave Europe to rebuild after the war. Other countries did not pay the money back and the debts were forgiven.