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Just because they both cheated on their wives doesn't mean they're the same person.

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I don't agree with a lot of what he does, but I am in no position to quantify him as a capable president. That's the job for credential historians, scholars, political analysts, legal experts, national security experts and the likes who get raw and indirect materials, access to confidential information and sources relating to the president to make that decision.
if that is the case then you should also leave it to those people to vote
Of course I'm still going to vote. (maybe you should read my last paragraph before you reply) I meant there are people far more politically astute than myself to determine his success as a president.
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but I am in no position to quantify him as a capable president. That's the job for credential historians, scholars, political analysts, legal experts, national security experts and the likes who get raw and indirect materials, access to confidential information and sources relating to the president to make that decision.
aren't you in the position to judge your president? what's the meaning of democracy and voting then?

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What irritates me is people who do not live in my country, but feel the need to lecture me about the dangers my president may present to the rest of the world.
oh please... not what dangers he MAY present.. what dangers he presents. i don't think anyone told you what to vote or lectured you. i think that the policy of the US towards other countries won't change no matter the president. it hasn't changed all these years anyway... so kerry or bush will be the same since the US interests stay the same. so i don't really care what you vote. but the fact that people actually vote for someone who can't talk or think properly as a politician should do (and not a simple politician but a world leader) surprises me.
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actually vote for someone who can't talk or think properly as a politician should do (and not a simple politician but a world leader) surprises me.
Clinton was a terrific public speaker, but a terrible president.
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but I am in no position to quantify him as a capable president. That's the job for credential historians, scholars, political analysts, legal experts, national security experts and the likes who get raw and indirect materials, access to confidential information and sources relating to the president to make that decision.
aren't you in the position to judge your president? what's the meaning of democracy and voting then?

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What irritates me is people who do not live in my country, but feel the need to lecture me about the dangers my president may present to the rest of the world.
oh please... not what dangers he MAY present.. what dangers he presents. i don't think anyone told you what to vote or lectured you. i think that the policy of the US towards other countries won't change no matter the president. it hasn't changed all these years anyway... so kerry or bush will be the same since the US interests stay the same. so i don't really care what you vote. but the fact that people actually vote for someone who can't talk or think properly as a politician should do (and not a simple politician but a world leader) surprises me.
k so while we're at it, and don't take this as a personal attack in anyway at all.

can you tell me anything Greece or any other country for that matter has done in the past decade with the sole intention of helping out the world and not itself?
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Of course I'm still going to vote. (maybe you should read my last paragraph before you reply) I meant there are people far more politically astute than myself to determine his success as a president.
no deborah, the people of his country are the most appropriate to do this. because everything he does affects them (and not only).
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bush is both a terrible public speaker and president
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actually vote for someone who can't talk or think properly as a politician should do (and not a simple politician but a world leader) surprises me.
Clinton was a terrific public speaker, but a terrible president.
bush is both a terrible public speaker and president
Terrible public speaker yes. Terrible president..that is a matter of opinion.
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you still haven't answered my question ugly qwueen and i'm putting it forward to everyone from every country here.

what exactly has your country done for the world against it's own interests that gives you the right to attack the US?

cause i'll tell you something. wether they had thier own intentions as a priority or not. the US and Uk getting rid of saddam huessein done alot mroe for the world in recent years than any other country i can think of.
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but I am in no position to quantify him as a capable president. That's the job for credential historians, scholars, political analysts, legal experts, national security experts and the likes who get raw and indirect materials, access to confidential information and sources relating to the president to make that decision.
aren't you in the position to judge your president? what's the meaning of democracy and voting then?

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What irritates me is people who do not live in my country, but feel the need to lecture me about the dangers my president may present to the rest of the world.
oh please... not what dangers he MAY present.. what dangers he presents. i don't think anyone told you what to vote or lectured you. i think that the policy of the US towards other countries won't change no matter the president. it hasn't changed all these years anyway... so kerry or bush will be the same since the US interests stay the same. so i don't really care what you vote. but the fact that people actually vote for someone who can't talk or think properly as a politician should do (and not a simple politician but a world leader) surprises me.
k so while we're at it, and don't take this as a personal attack in anyway at all.

can you tell me anything Greece or any other country for that matter has done in the past decade with the sole intention of helping out the world and not itself?
no wars, bombings and killings of innocent population that's for sure.
now you really think that the US had the sole intention of helping the world when they invaded iraq...?
now let me tell you something. greece is not a powerful country and we all know that. when the US soldiers shot a kid in the head in iraq and that kid didn't die but stayed with the bullet in his head and with lots of problems the US government promised that they would take the kid there to operate it. then they took their 'promise' back and that kid would die if the greek state didn't bring it here to a hospital in order to operate it and save it. that's just an example. and also that's what i call help to the world and not the invasions and bombings to a foreign country. if you're convinced that saddam was such a great danger as you were convinced that iraq had weapons of mass destruction that's a problem indeed. but remember that blood brings blood and it's a vicious circle.
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