Canabis

spunkywho · #21 11-01-2003, 12:36 AM

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Longer lasting? I disagree. Probably depends on how much you drink.

Some people even have cannabis - flashbacks, kinda like acid flashbacks which are also caused by the drugs not leaving the system.

Ice

now you're scaring me. that would explain some things LOL

Mike · #22 11-01-2003, 12:36 AM

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but anyone that says it has harmless is wrong.

I think it is as harmless as alcohol or nicotine or even sex. To blame weed on being delinquent doesn't cut it for me

Can it be abused? Sure. Do most users abuse it? I don't think so.

Mike, what does your Dad do?

It def. isn't as harmless as alcohol & certainly not nicotine. For a start it IS addictive - anything that alters the mind is addictive. It is far longer lasting than alcohol (stays in your bloodstream much longer). & that is why it is so dangerous, because there r far less immediate side effects.

My dad is a team leader of a team of community nurses working for the NHS trust. He basically deals with ppl with mental illnesses - & he'll put a few ppl straight on the dangers of cannabis.

Alcohol is addictive! Nicotine is addictive! They aren't any different.

Alcohol and even Nicotine alters the mind (ok the nicotine might be stretching it, but I always say I get high on cigarettes - I don't smoke, so anytime I smoke a cigarette I get totally high).

I've seen so much more damage done due to alcohol than weed (or even most other drugs - heroine included). Anything someone might do while on drugs, 10 more people did while drunk.

Longer lasting? I disagree. Probably depends on how much you drink.

I think that while your Dad certainly sees the bad aspects of drug abusers, he also only sees a segment of drug users. My sister is a nurse and she thinks there isn't a bigger evil than alcohol. Just because in her line of business she sees sooooo many alcoholics dying of a very young age. While both see a very real segment it is a biased view. Not any less valid though.

Cannabis stays in the blood longer. U ever noticed how lazy u r up to a week after having a big smoke??

Also I agree about alcohol being just as bad & being treated disproportionally. But thats no reason to make another harmful thing legal. Also - u will notice that trend is now towards banning smoking too.

Tashjbj · #23 11-01-2003, 12:37 AM

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It is not true that people who smoke cannabis will go on to harder drugs, that is a fallacy. If that was the case nearly the whole population of Holland would be on heroin. Cannabis is a soft drug and has a less harmful effect than alcohol. If monitored there is no problem whatsoever.

Tash

I watched a tv program 2 years ago and it said that Holland has a bad drug problem, is this not true then?

No, it's not true. Of course there are drug addicts, but that's the case in every country. The only ones that you really see abusing the coffee shops here are the tourists, most Dutch don't go near the stuff or only when they are younger.
It's funny how TV shows always like to say that Holland has a drug problem, but due to the laws the problem is controlled. A lot of countries have expressed a wish to follow the Dutch example... go figure..

Tash

Mike · #24 11-01-2003, 12:39 AM

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The 3 ppl I lived with starting taking ecstacy on a regular basis after smoking cannabis. They then moved onto Coke.

... but did they drink alcohol before they smoked cannabis?

Yeah - but that is expected over here. I agree with what u r saying about alcohol to a degree. However U can drink alcohol without becoming drunk & some alcohol has positive medical properties. Cannibis u get hammered very quickly.

Also, since banning alchohol is probably not really feasible, why use it as a platform to promote something just as harmful?

spunkywho · #25 11-01-2003, 12:39 AM

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Cannabis stays in the blood longer. U ever noticed how lazy u r up to a week after having a big smoke??

no, but I do notice how crappy I feel for days after I drink too much

, but then, that may be my age

Tashjbj · #26 11-01-2003, 12:41 AM

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Cannabis stays in the blood longer. U ever noticed how lazy u r up to a week after having a big smoke??

no, but I do notice how crappy I feel for days after I drink too much

, but then, that may be my age

Totally agree!! Feel 10 times worse after drinking than smoking!

Tash

UKjovi · #27 11-01-2003, 12:42 AM

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Can leave you depressed

what if you start off that way?

it doesnt make it worse! then again it doesnt help

Not true!you think thing over and things lose there problem

I like winks

Iceman · #28 11-01-2003, 12:42 AM

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Cannabis stays in the blood longer. U ever noticed how lazy u r up to a week after having a big smoke??

no, but I do notice how crappy I feel for days after I drink too much

, but then, that may be my age

Cannabis has been proved to stay in the circulation from 1 week up to six weeks. Alcohol leaves the body in about a day, no matter how much you drink. Unless of course you die from an alcohol poisoning before that. Alchol withdrawals, or hangover, usually lasts only up to a day, whereas cannabis can cause symptoms up to that 6 weeks.

Ice

Mike · #29 11-01-2003, 12:43 AM

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Like I said, then I and most of my friends should be heroin addicts by now, if what you say is true.
I think the problem lies more in the not legalising it then legalising it. It is now something of a taboo in the UK and therefore exciting. Here it is nothing special and there is no drug problem here, not to the extent that you have in the UK. Ecstacy is tested in clubs by the police and the pills are controlled. Hard drugs are not allowed.
Cannabis has the same effect on you as alcohol, but without the long term damage that alcohol has, there is no evidence to support physical decline as there is with alcohol (liver damage or becoming punch drunk).
I'm sorry that you have witnessed some different cases but you can't say that smoking cannabis will lead to other things when the drug laws here prove the exact opposite, that if it is controlled you eliminate the potential problem.

Tash

I have been to Amsterdam & have seen ppl come into Macdonalds to get food out of a bin. There r a lot of shady characters in Amsterdam & I would say that in no way has legalising it reduced the problems it causes.

Long term damage by cannabis: Paranoia. Mental illness. Lung disease. Loss of intelligence.

This stuff about it being a taboo I dont agree with - otherwise why aren't we all heroin users?? I'd say that the fact it is illegal puts more ppl off.

Not everyone will abuse it, just as everyone doesn't abuse alcohol - but why make it more readily available when it clearly has so many detrimental effects? Using the damaging effects of alcohol to justify it I find confusing.

Iceman · #30 11-01-2003, 12:44 AM

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I watched a tv program 2 years ago and it said that Holland has a bad drug problem, is this not true then?

No, it's not true.

http://www.gdpn.org/dpna/resources/p...rug_policy.htm

According to Netwerk:

* The Netherlands is the No 1. producer of Ecstasy
* The Netherlands has marijuana cultivations of excellent quality
* The Netherlands is a transit country for heroin and cocaine
* Criminals make a lot of money from the drug trade

EDIT: More stats: http://www.benneke.dk/Drug%20use%20i...population.htm

Ice

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