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Old 11-10-2003, 05:32 PM
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I have a young daughter, costs me a fortune :/
this is a joke right?
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As far as a child needing both a mother and a father - that is crap. They need a stable, loving, secure environment. If both happen to be Daddy's that is great, just as it is great to have two Mommy's.
I wouldn't so sure about that.
I mean everybody lives the life they want, I have absolutely no problem with that. Some gay or lesbian couples will make better parents then some hetero couples, yes.

My question is: Can the best possible homosexual parents have the same "potential" for the child as the best possible heterosexual parents?

My answer is: I don't know.

The thing is our society, and humanity, is based on men and women. Men and women have physical, emotional, psychological differences that give humanity it's balance. Therefore I'm not sure a child raised by homosexual parents as a chance of being prepared to face the world and society in the most appropriate way since at least a small part of references will be missing in it's education.
It's just a domain in which we have no experience or reliable statistics.
But then if we never try we'll never know...
Another complexe matter to me.

Cool debate.

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I do think kids need male and female people in their lives. Of course, but a Dad or Mom is not the only way. I have gay friends that have a child and while the kid has two Moms, it also has uncles and a granddad, a soccer coach and a whole bunch of other men in its life.

Seeing that the kid is very well adjusted and one of my "favorite" kids coming over, I have to say, much better than the other friend that comes over that is being raised by his heterosexual parents that never have time for him.

In a perfect world, things would be quite different indeed, but then, our place wouldn't be as diverse as it is and not as much fun.
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methinks for a child to have no contact with both adult sexes in their life is a very extreme case, I myself was raised by a single mother, I have quite a few older male friends (ranging from 25 to 45) is the fact that I have these friends a product of being raised by a female alone? who knows, someone should conduct a study :]


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Seeing that the kid is very well adjusted and one of my "favorite" kids coming over, I have to say, much better than the other friend that comes over that is being raised by his heterosexual parents that never have time for him.
although I feel this is a bit of generalisation, different people feel and act differently towards their kids regardless of sexual orientation, although perhaps gay couples that have children would count themselves more lucky to actually have a child..
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Seeing that the kid is very well adjusted and one of my "favorite" kids coming over, I have to say, much better than the other friend that comes over that is being raised by his heterosexual parents that never have time for him.
although I feel this is a bit of generalisation, different people feel and act differently towards their kids regardless of sexual orientation, although perhaps gay couples that have children would count themselves more lucky to actually have a child..
by no means do I want to suggest that a gay couple would make better parents in general. The above statment was in response to another post.

I also don't think that a gay couple would necessarily count themselves more lucky to have a child (at least if they are women) cause it is pretty easy to get pregnant (generally), and plenty of heterosexual people have difficulties conceiving, so the mere fact that there is a boy and a girl in a relatinship doesn't mean it is easier to get pregnant
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I love kids ,but couldnt eat a whole one
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I love kids ,but couldnt eat a whole one
lol!

Yeah i defo want kids....i want one boy and a one girl. I think anymore will be too exhausting. I dont want them til im at least 25/26 though, i wanna enjoy young life as much as possible.....carli, i will phone you in 5 years

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I do think kids need male and female people in their lives. Of course, but a Dad or Mom is not the only way. I have gay friends that have a child and while the kid has two Moms, it also has uncles and a granddad, a soccer coach and a whole bunch of other men in its life.

Seeing that the kid is very well adjusted and one of my "favorite" kids coming over, I have to say, much better than the other friend that comes over that is being raised by his heterosexual parents that never have time for him.
I see what you mean but having two mums or two dads can't be the same as having a mum and a dad, whatever the rest of your relations are made of. Wether it is as good, better, or worse is what I 'd like to figure out. Good enough? What would that mean? Where would be the limits?

Are hetero and hom couples, in a global way, capable to respond in the same way to the need of children?
for example, I believe children need stability. Are homosexual couples as stable as heterosexuals? I don't know. I know some are but I don't have a reliable global statistic and don't even know if anyone has.

I mean it's a serious decision to make wether to legaly authorize homosexual parenthood or not. It could deeply change our society in good or bad. It's a matter that needs debate, studies, reflexion...

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In a perfect world, things would be quite different indeed, but then, our place wouldn't be as diverse as it is and not as much fun.
Perfection doesn't exist i agree, still I think it's what we have to try to reach. The higher the aim, the better the result.
Diversity is necessary, I agree, but has and needs limits that can't be moved in a wink without considering all the possible consequences.

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Old 11-11-2003, 12:31 AM
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The doubt is always in your mind, even after many years, i have two kids, wanted them, it's sometimes so difficult. My mum was working 10 hours per day and we were three - i don't know how she did ! i think my kids are lucky to have their mum at home most of the time, but i think she did better with her three daughters and her work than me with only two kids, no real work and a husband Not everyone who deserve their kids unfortunely ..... Personnaly i think life is empty without kids !
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