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Jim Bon Jovi · #41 11-12-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkywho

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

the animals in the communist paradise known as China are now selling their female babies to westerners that can't have them

I believe you are referring to the Chinese? If so, they are indeed people not animals. That is quite a deragatory and ignorant statment, isn't it? I hope you are aware that in China, people are not allowed more than one baby? If they have more they are fined and/or loose their jobs. That is how soooo many babies end up in orphanages. Very very sad. The orphanages are sooo poor that many of these babies don't even survive.

I have friends that adopted a Chinese baby girl (they already have a daughter of their own and decided to adopt the second child - quite admirable). They went through quite an ordeal to adopt this Chinese girl and they showed us tons of slides about their journey to China to pick up their girl. It was quite obvious from the pictures, that if they didn't adopt her, she would not have survived.

To say those people SELL their babies to Westeners that cannot have their own is deragatory, ignorant and insensitive.

I hope you were drunk beyond oblivion when you wrote that post otherwise (though probably still) you are the only ANIMAL around here.

sorry mate but it's a fact and china is animalistic as far as their human rights go. u said it urself. have more than 1 baby and ur pretty much shat upon by the state and yes i have studied china before so i'm not just making assumptions here.

it was in the news over here yesterday that it's now common for people to sell babies they don't want to westeners that can't have babies or dont want to go through the adoption process. theres a bit of a difference between having an unwanted baby and putting it in a home and letting them get it a family than selling it as if it was a car or table in the blue papers which is pretty much what alot of people have resorted to doing.

suppose it beats drowning them in the lakes though eh?

spunkywho · #42 11-12-2003, 08:21 PM

you are calling the people animals.

That is what makes you an idiot!!!

It is not FACT!!

But, then you are a bit too young (nicely put) to actually get it, it seems.

Keeper · #43 11-12-2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

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Originally Posted by spunkywho

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

the animals in the communist paradise known as China are now selling their female babies to westerners that can't have them

I believe you are referring to the Chinese? If so, they are indeed people not animals. That is quite a deragatory and ignorant statment, isn't it? I hope you are aware that in China, people are not allowed more than one baby? If they have more they are fined and/or loose their jobs. That is how soooo many babies end up in orphanages. Very very sad. The orphanages are sooo poor that many of these babies don't even survive.

I have friends that adopted a Chinese baby girl (they already have a daughter of their own and decided to adopt the second child - quite admirable). They went through quite an ordeal to adopt this Chinese girl and they showed us tons of slides about their journey to China to pick up their girl. It was quite obvious from the pictures, that if they didn't adopt her, she would not have survived.

To say those people SELL their babies to Westeners that cannot have their own is deragatory, ignorant and insensitive.

I hope you were drunk beyond oblivion when you wrote that post otherwise (though probably still) you are the only ANIMAL around here.

sorry mate but it's a fact and china is animalistic as far as their human rights go. u said it urself. have more than 1 baby and ur pretty much shat upon by the state and yes i have studied china before so i'm not just making assumptions here.

it was in the news over here yesterday that it's now common for people to sell babies they don't want to westeners that can't have babies or dont want to go through the adoption process. theres a bit of a difference between having an unwanted baby and putting it in a home and letting them get it a family than selling it as if it was a car or table in the blue papers which is pretty much what alot of people have resorted to doing.

suppose it beats drowning them in the lakes though eh?

Well, if they are selling them, I don't think it's in order to get a new lamp or anything, don't you? Maybe it's because it's their only means to survive, maybe it's because thy think that thus they will give thier child a chance to get a better life. Can you imagine how desperate thye must be to sell their own baby? It can't be easy!!

On the other hand, selling babies does not only happen in China or in the so-called Third World. In the so-called developed countries happens to, underhand and unawares to the largest part of society, but it does.

DevilsSon · #44 11-12-2003, 10:15 PM

Wow...it was very intresting to see your points.
I don't know what else i can say....I guess Jovitalk has/will have great parents.

I don't know what parent I'd be...I'm afraid would try not to make the mistakes my parents made. Do you know what i mean?I would be too much drived by that memoreis and i might forget what is all about. And i guess i'm one of those people who try to make their point and i might force my kid to like what i like, to let his hair grow, to learn to play guitar and to learn to ski...to be in the soccer or volleyball team of his school and not to listen to the Britney Spears that will act around at that time.And again, i'm not sure if i'm able to get over this. But hopefully one day i will and then i will say:'ok,that's the right moment!"
But i'm too young to be a parent now....i'm still too much into alcohol and living my life actually.But i wanta kid when i'm older....that's for sure.

About marriage?I think it's good to be married. not neccesary but it's good for the kid to know his parents are married. I don't know any gay couples but one day the kid will ask :"why do i have 2 mothers/fathers?" and that will be a very difficult moment for the kid and for his parents but if gay couples know that they will care and love the baby then i think they can get over it.Spunkywho was write...the enviroment is much more important that the individual parent but the "enviroment" is not always there for the kid so i guess the most importanat thing for a child is to have somebody there next to him always...it can be however the kid wants to be but THAT PERSON should always be there.

Kathleen · #45 11-12-2003, 10:37 PM

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this may sound selfish, but at the moment i am not even sure i want to have kids

the thing is... i feel too immature. i dont even like to shop food and cook for myself and i hate washing my clothes

with kids it would be even more work (much more...). i must admit though, i am quite lazy. i feel bad about that but thats just the way i am... i guess this will have changed in about 10 years (at least i hope so).

but if i ever have a child i want it to grow up happily and in a stable home.

No, don't worry Choc, it was the same for me, and i'm still lazy, not a very good cooker and have to do three loads of washing a day sometimes

But it's much work, so when you are in a situation like yours, it's nearly impossible, studies first, the rest later .... and yes it will change (a bit) because you're not stupid or crazy or whatever, you'll love your kids and you won't have any choices, you'll give them all they will need

Jess is right Choc. Keep in mind that if everybody waited until everything was perfect until they had a child (stable home, enough money etc.) NOBODY would have kids

Somehow we all seem to get through it.

Kathleen

Rosscoe · #46 11-12-2003, 11:23 PM

I want to have kids eventually, but I don't know if I could wait till I was an old kodger in my late 20's. I got no idea on how many kids I want or what type, I imagine that is part of the surprise when the time comes around.

As for what type of parent I would be, I can't say. Hopefully I can do a good job, to do otherwise is just asking for trouble. I think being a good parent would definately be the hardeset thing a person could do.

I was raised by two parents, but sometimes it was four but mostly three. My parents got divorced when I was three, I didn't take it so well because I couldn't understand what was happening. After a while I got used to the idea and almost became settled with it. Then my mum got a partner, which they have been together since, but I didn't know why mum got a new one, and I gave him plenty of grey hairs over the years.

But now for me it just isn't normal not to have the parents apart because I could see that they just weren't suited for each other.

spunkywho · #47 11-12-2003, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon

And i guess i'm one of those people who try to make their point and i might force my kid to like what i like, to let his hair grow, to learn to play guitar and to learn to ski...to be in the soccer or volleyball team of his school and not to listen to the Britney Spears that will act around at that time.And again, i'm not sure if i'm able to get over this. But hopefully one day i will and then i will say:'ok,that's the right moment!"

you know I used to think the same way - and actually, I definitely try to instill "the right things" into my sons mind - lol. However, as a parent you'll learn to pick your battles, so to speak, to keep your sanity. You'll find that hairstyle and music taste is so unimportant compared to other things, that you'll just end up "making suggestions" and don't get hung up on your kids' musical taste - LOL. (Fortunately my son's fondness of "Broccoli Spears" faded quickly)

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but one day the kid will ask :"why do i have 2 mothers/fathers?" and that will be a very difficult moment for the kid and for his parents

I don't think that would be awkward. After all the kid is being raised by gay people - seeing that this is a "normal" thing - nothing to be embarrassed by. It would be as simple as saying "cause we are gay" -

Though, I doubt it would need pointing out

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