Climate Crisis

my point is you need to extend you vocabulary

nice one Russ that has to be the bottom line IMO. yes people can and will argue the science because no one is really sure at what rate the changes will occur. Surely the one thing that can be agreed on is that we should cut our fossil fuel emmisons.

It is scientific fact that certain gases like carbon dioxide get trapped in the atmosphere , we need to control and reduce the rate at which we burn these fuels, in order to slow down any climate shift .

Also reduce it for our own breathing !! Go to any big town and you'll see that

True. There is also global cooling, as noted in the previous articles . The question is still highly debatable as to whether or not these fluxuations are induced by humans or by uncontrollable or complicated natural phenomena. The only fact is that these 'scientists' can't predict the weather for tomorrow, yet they claim to know the distant future of the entire world. It doesn't make any sense. Climate models are so complicated they get changed severeal times a year, and different peoples' models give astronomically disparate results (you can look those up yourself, I have class now) on both ends of the spectrum. No unbiased, scientifically honorable, researched person could possibly say human-induced global warming (or cooling) is fact or that it has been proven or even that 'most scientists' think one way or another because it isn't, it hasn't been, and they don't.

You are right, we should. And we should all eat more healthy meals and excercise every day and be good to one another and on and on, but those are called morals and ideals and they must be set by individuals, not governments. Government has little place in such business and only adds to the corruption of the scientific and idealistic integrity of the discussion.

For example, just because I don't think people should take more food than they are going to eat doesn't mean I think there should be a fine for people who do. It was their choice. They paid for it with the money they earned. We all waste money on Bon Jovi crap all the time. The concert prices are ungodly, yet we go because we have the right to do with our time and money what we like despite the fact that there are problems around the world that we aren't dealing with at that moment.

When people smoke around me, it pisses me off and I have to inhale it and I sometimes envision swatting them upside the head, but should cigarettes be banned by law everywhere or could I do something about it myself like, say, leave, or say something to the person (which would probably anger them)?

When you force things on people that will change their ways of life so dramatically and increase their living costs while decreasing their own enjoyment of life, you damn well better have real science, NOT POLITICS, on your side.

So, until you find me a weather man who can predict the forecast accurately even a month (even a week) from now I will be here, enjoying the absurdity of humanity, like a pig in poop.

B

...reading this...Scrat keeps jumping into my mind chasing after his acorn...(and I wish I were more articulate)...But Scrat or not we cannot change the natural evolution of the planet..be ice age or shifting continents etc.

But I believe it is our duty to look after it whilst we're alive, for the future...In anyway we think we can...be it recycling our rubbish and turning lights off. Or protesting against America for being one of the biggest polution producers in the world.

Earth will always survive...humans may not.


some info from Greenpeace on climate change:

http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...climate-change

As a geoscientist myself, I feel the need to point out that you can literally find hundreds, if not thousands, of articles on the internet to support whatever particular point of view you wish but the reliability of the data and indeed the personal opinions of the author/collator are extremely questionable.

I could claim I saw a UFO and was abducted by aliens and find countless websites where 'supposed' scientific research would support my claims but at the end of the day it is still just a glorified version of the story churned out by the drunk at the bar on any night of the week.

Global warming and the acceleratory effects caused by humans is science 'fact' and not science fiction. You can skew the data or question its validity if you want but it's just plain ignorance on your part.

Do some reading about oxygen isotopes found in ice cores drilled in Antarctica and how their historical variations have impacted on global climate throughout the centuries and you will maybe have a little more perspective on what information these predictions are based.

Global warming is fluctual and natural, Milankovitch proved that with his observations on how climate has fluctuated in and out of ice ages across millenia - but there is nothing 'natural' about the rate of climate change at the present and it's because of us, like it or lump it!

Oh Great Beyondo...

Tell me the what the weather will be on my birthday so that may plan accordingly.

B

BTW - Human-induced global warming on any important scale is not a 'fact,' and you are not a climatologist. Though you would enjoy the reasearch being done by the PHD from Sweden who aims to really complicate your 'facts' with his own truths of the universe.

beavoid you should lay off the crack pipe if you don't think the way we live and pollute the earth seriously affects the world even if it's not going to lead to another ice age or the ice caps melting in our lifetime.

looking at it another way, even if you don't believe it, what's the harm in recycling when possible, not driving a car with bad mileage, trying to save energy consumption in the house and walking instead of taking the car on short journeys? is there anything negative about doing any of these things?

it's not like he is the messiah..........

Yes, now more than ever.

I just had that conversation with the dude that fixed my internet cable (bless Dave he is da network god) and it truly is insane to think we have all the answers ready but politics and money get in the way.

Yes, Bush is still trying to drill oil in Alaska.

Yes, Americans are still buying the biggest cars with the biggest gas consumption.

Yes, Smart cars are hardly available and certainly ain't that popular in the US as they are - say - in Germany.

Yes, solar and wind power are heard only by hear say over here - while in Europe (Germany) you'll be hard pressed to find a home without solar panels on the roof, wind generators or water power generatored electricity fed homes.

Yes, aside the fact that 3rd world countries are a challenge, the US might be the biggest hurdle yet.........

trash nazis!!!

As its been said you have only to study the core samples from the polar caps to see the effect of polution made from man. It is fact that the sea levels are rising you cannot dispute that its fact .The only reason for this is because the ice caps are melting due to global warming .If you have another theroy to why the sea levels are rising please tell me because i'd like to know and i'm not trying to put you down , i would really like to know what you think.


I feel the same way about smoking too and i totaly agree with you it pisses me off too .Why should i have to put up with someone elses second hand smoke?? but also why should i put up with all the crap thats in the air because not enough is being done about polution? As Jim said there is no harm in recyling or making the effort to save on fuel.For one thing it would save you money.Surely thats enough reason on its own?
I dont see how recycling can reduce your enjoyment in life though , can you explain firther on this one .