Climate Crisis

lol i dont think he is the messiah i just think America may have made better progress on global warming issues.Also the support the US had after 9/11 would be much stronger at this point IMO

can you clarify what you mean? are you stating that the amounts of co2 we are pumping into the atmosphere is not affecting the planet?

Never said there was anything negative about any of it (especially the crack pipe, which I smoke everyday before breakfast). You go right ahead and do all that stuff if it makes you feel better. Just let me do my own thing.

I'll be here (high as a kite) enjoying your absurdity.

B

There is a difference between natural global warming and cooling, caused by forces so cosmic as to not be controllable by man, and then there is small scale warming in big cities which really has no proven appreciable affect on the entire earth.



Recycling makes everybody's life more difficult because it takes time to do. It is great if you want to do it, and it is great that you 'care,' but it costs more in time and money. Look at carbonated beverage cans, regulated by the government. They cost an extra 1.20 USD per every 12. That dime you get back for each can isn't free, it is you getting your money back for what the government robbed you of without your consent. Now, if you are going to start forcing people to do other things with their cars etc, you will certainly make their lives more difficult and costly, without a doubt. If you look at Iowa, every Iowa resident pays a portion of my gas bill when I go their. 92 unleaded is cheaper than 89 because it is subsidized by the government which is really government robbery and favoritism toward the corn growers, but I don't complain because (thankfully) I don't have to live there and I get to reap the benefits of their tax dollars when I drive through

It does cost more and it does make peoples' lives more complicated. Which would be fine, if it was their choice to donate the money (which no one would do).

B

I am stating that your argument really is just unproven theory and you shouldn't base global change on unproven possible junk-science. I am also stating that no one hear is a climatologist and, therefore, none of you are really trained to know the weather in the future, which even climatologists do not know. THe evidence shoots in every direction because there are trillions of unknowns and variables which we don't even know that we haven't accounted for.

And I am saying that if anyone here can predict the weather on the week of my birthday, you will make me a believer because it is impossible. So how on earth do you really think ANYBODY know what the weather will be like in 100 years?

It is ridiculous.

Absurd.

B

Don't you have them in the UK ? we do in france since a long time already. And kids in primary visit the recycling places with school, and they know at 6 years old that not everything goes to the same bin ! that's so easy ! They also visit mmm what's the name ? recycling water places you know ? they're talking about all this as soon as they can understand simple things that can help. It's nothing to do and if it can help so why not ? I think it is important.

The world is now warmer than it has been in the last 12000 years.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...ld_warmth.html

Ice

we have bottle banks here and there but nothing like on the continent. the hostel i was in in germany had seperate bins for glass, cardboard / paper and then other rubbish. that was just int he common room not a big bin set up outside for the area. it pretty much changed my whole attitude towards recycling and the world.

here schools, offices, public buildings etc... tend to have seperate bins for empty soft drink cans but that's about it and even then most people will throw them in a normal bin if it's closer. i've started making a point of telling everyone in work to put the empty cans into the proper bin because we do go through alot of them and i reckon less than 10% actually wind up in the bin to get them recycled.


beavoid it's nice to know you're comfortable in your ignorance and laziness with regards to the world and your fellow man.

So what your saying then is the increased rate at which the ice caps are melting is a natural occurance? I agree that they are melting naturaly but that would only be at a very slow rate not whats happening now .




Yes recycling takes time to do but as it becomes more common place it becomes easier .Yes at the moment its more expencive because its still relatively new . however as time goes by it will become cheaper and its a sacrifice worth doing. Not just to slow down global warming wether or not you beleive that but if it reduces the air polution and other types of polution then its a good thing? Yes it will be annouying to start of with having to pay more but you say no one will want to pay more i think alot of people now realize that something has got to be done and dont mind as much as they once did.

at my house we have four bins now.
1)general waste
2)newspapers and mags
3)cardboard , garden and fruit/veg waste
4)bottles and cans.

when its raining its a pain in the arse because you dont wanna do it but the alternative is we all do nothing and just see what happens? ive read that people have been fined in places for filling their bins up with the wrong stuff.
At first i thought that was totally over the top but actually if people are cant be bothered to seperate their waste for the common good then screw them.

unfortuantley a lot of people take this view still even now in the face of overwhelming evidence that we are damaging the planet. The potential consequences of how we are living Vs small changes like seperating your waste. to me its a no brainer. This argument that its so inconvenient and costs so much money and time it really doesnt stand up. If we all made small changes to the way we lived , it would make a massive difference on a global scale.